Getting rid of a piano.

actually, that can all be synthesised: nobody can be bothered.

All the above are simple resontaors - a lot of them to be sure, but nothing a good bit of software and a few DSPS couldn't handle.

Exactly; wehn it comes to duplicating te soumd of a bity opf cast iron and some felt and bits of wood and teh a;bert hall, its cheaper to hire a sodding grand and an engineer and the albert hall than spend a year working out te major resonances in t above and duplicating them.

Nevertheless, it can be done. I made a remarkably good 'Leslie' speaker out of an all pass phase shifter and a delay line once..enough to show me that a DSP approached based on the above could certainly simulate a variety of rooms and musical instrument soundboxes. Rooms are not that hard to do either with various reverberators, but nothing on the market I have heard is actually that good.

I even worked out te way to do it. Take your piano, hit it sharply with a hammer, and do a time domain analysis, and approximate with N delay lines and phase shifters, and you have a reverberant structure that is essentially your piano. Do it with soft and loud pedals on and of, and you have the response you want. Do it in a room and you have the response of the piano in the room. Now add some basic string tone, and the piano now starts to sound like a proper piano.

Give me 1/4 million and five years, and I'll do it for you..

Ultimately the problems of doing accurate SYNTHESIS were overcome by the art of sampling. Rather like the original ..bugger I forget the name - you know with a million lops of tape running inside it. Think Moody Blues..

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The Natural Philosopher
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It sounds like ft lb from the numbers he quotes.

But I am not so sure he DOES know what torque is.

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The Natural Philosopher

Its called hearing impairment, or deafness, in old money.

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The Natural Philosopher

well played pizzicato, actually sometimes they do..

I've made electric guitars sound like clarinets in my time..you need a certain woddy sounding loudspeaker enclosure and a certain amount of even harmonic distrortion, and a bit of an artist in the thing to control the attack, which is a bit of a giveaway on a guitar, but the sustained note is very close to a reed instrument. The sound of the reed flapping together is duplicated by the asymmetric clipping in the amplifier...

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The Natural Philosopher

You can make a sax sound like Hendrix....all you need is an overdrive pedal, a transducer, a good amp and a pair of earplugs. Only works from around octave G up.

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Stephen Howard

Eh? What??

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Stephen Howard

Or tinnitus. :-(

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Rod

That little cash?

The Moody Blues used a Mellotron

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history and development. They don't make 'em like that anymore.

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Dave Liquorice

It's a running gag due to torque figures being quoted in different ways.

Top Gear simply emulates a bunch of lads playing out their pub fantasies. If you don't like the idea don't watch it.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Weird this jazz thing. It never actually dies, but it's been on the verge of it for the last 50 years. Can't fill the back room of a pub for a jazz gig these days. I was shocked to see Tal Farlow playing in the corner of a pub in Oxford with no one listening, and that was 20 years ago.

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stuart noble

You've already made it clear you don't understand it - not much point your trying to critique it when you haven't got a clue what's going on.

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Stephen Howard

It's like most forms of specialised music, it's under-funded and under-promoted. Practically any form of non-mainstream music suffers in the same way - even esoteric rock or the just plain not fashionable.

On the whole, jazz fans tend to prefer going to specialist venues - and with good reason. I once went to see the great Eddie Thompson play in a bar in Essex...and there was a guy shoving coins in a fruit machine for half the first set. The landlord refused to switch the machine off.

Should be interesting over the next decade or so, with the influx of decent and extremely cheap instruments from China.

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Stephen Howard

The only semi-serious jazz venues in London seem to be The Vortex and The 606. Ronnie's has become the typical corporate night club, which I guess was inevitable, and the pizza houses don't do it for me. Hovering waiters etc. I think young British players are perhaps trying too hard to be innovative and have forgotten how to enjoy themselves.

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stuart noble

Mellotron. I tend to think of Peter Sellers shagging Princess Margaret instead.

A Mellotron also used strips of tapes, not loops. These were rewound under tension once released, but it did mean that you couldn't sustain a note indefinitely, only for a few seconds.

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Andy Dingley

Depends what you mean by 'serious'. In 'big name' terms, perhaps - but there are some very seriously good players to be seen at places like the legendary Bull's Head, Dover St. Wine Bar, Jazz Cafe etc.

I'd disagree with your statement about young British jazzers, mostly on the basis that I get to meet or hear about a lot of them ( as you might imagine ), and they seem to be thoroughly enjoying themselves. Check out someone like Paul Booth or Dunstan Coulber, for instance.

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Stephen Howard

There was a sound FX one in the sound library at Teddington Studios when I worked there. Dunno what happened to it - probably skipped. They were never quality devices due to the slow tape speed and azimuth problems. But a novel idea in its day.

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Dave Plowman (News)

The Bulls Head Barnes manages - at least when I go there.

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Dave Plowman (News)

I used to work with a chap called Archie, a jazz bassist, and when I mentioned I was going to the Bull's Head for the very first time he told me to be sure to buy the barman a drink - he gave no reason, but said I should not forget to do so and that I would find out why.

So, I pitched up at the pub about 30 minutes before the gig started, bought a pint and duly asked the barman if he'd have one himself.

The place began to fill up, so I grabbed a seat and settled down to listen to the band. Come half time and barely before the cymbals had come to rest, the bar was packed solid with punters trying to get a drink. I stood at the back of a considerable crush...and then to my complete surprise a hand appeared above the melee and a loud ( Scottish ) voice said "Here you go, Sir" and the crowd parted as the barman held out my pint.

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Stephen Howard

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