Today I had the unfortunate need to use the Total service station at clackets lane on the M25 (car side!).
In the gents there is a hand basin in the corner, attached to the back wall. On the side wall to the right, right above the basin, is an electric hand drier Just to the right of this drier there is a switched FCU for the direr
Is this legal, as it is well within reach of people with wet hands? It looks like the usual MK affair, not a water resistant one.
Just curious!
Sparks...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:08:17 -0000, "Sparks" strung together this:
Zones only apply if there is abath or shower in the room, sinks on there own don't count. Kitchens don't have zones, and you get sockets a lot closer to sinks than you've seen that fused spur. As far as the regs are concerned, it's not the wet hands that are the issue, but standing in a bath\shower tray full of water.
A fused spur unit with flex outlet would have been OK, but to have one with a switch on it is a no, no. Was the switch functional? Did you try to turn the drier off using the switch? It might have been the only one the Spark had in his box of tricks, but he might have removed the switch function on it.
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:16:57 GMT, "BigWallop" strung together this:
Utter nonsense.
You can't, it's either a switched fused spur or it's not.
I thought this was a wind up from someone called Sparks. So I was really being facetious.
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 06:48:20 GMT, "BigWallop" strung together this:
Erm, whatever. Sounds a bit feeble as made up excuses and backpedalling go!
It is almost certainly perfectly acceptable. There is a rule of thumb of
Christian.
Thanks for that, seems clearer now!
I still think it is very strange this is allowed in a public toilet, as to people who may not know better, it is just asking to be switched when the user is using the drier with wet hands!
Sparks
Which wouldn't actually be that dangerous, really. You are very unlikely to take your shoes off in a public toilet. Wet hands are unlikely to result in a short between the the live and your hands. The reason bathrooms have additional requirements is that you are likely to be walking around with wet feet and no shoes, which makes everything more dangerous.
I've accidentally touched a live conductor when fully dressed and shoed before and not really felt anything at all, just a slight tingle.
Christian.
"Christian McArdle" wrote | It is almost certainly perfectly acceptable. There is a rule of | thumb of >30cm from the taps, but this is not set in stone.
However, this is a motorway services loo where there is, presumably, a high risk of vandalism over and above the usual risks associated with a place open to the public. I would be more concerned about that than wet hands. Use of a plastic accessory at an accessible height might not be considered good practice in such a location.
Owain
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:09:39 -0000, "Christian McArdle" strung together this:
I think the exact wording in BS7671 is "reasonable distance", again. The NICEIC technical manual mentions 300mm, but as you say, it's more of a guide\recommendation.
"Sparks" is asking a question about electrical installations. Feeble and back pedalling? :-)) LOL!!! OK then. I still thought it was a wind up.
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:19:34 GMT, "BigWallop" strung together this:
Maybe he works on HV lines, or has a unusually large reserve of static electricity within him, or maybe he makes spark plugs, or maybe he works on the dodgems at a fair, or maybe...... You get the idea. ;-)
You can never tell, I'm often amazed at some of the serious questions on various groups etc...
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