Fake Britain, Fake 17th IEE regs.

Anyone see this yesterday.

oldish story it seems.

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Why would they bother using fake figures, why don;t they just photocopy the genuine product and then fake it, all seems rather strange to me.

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whisky-dave
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And also the on-site guide, it seems.

Apparently genuine logarithm tables used to contain deliberate errors, to trap forgers; and OS maps include things which are not there.

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newshound

Probably scan and OCR the original. OCR not 100% accurate yet.

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Richard

Near us, the OS map shows the location of a War Memorial. A recent survey on behalf of the local council refers to the memorial. It rather shows the survey was not done on the ground since the War Memorial hasn't been there for over 50 years.

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charles

When I worked in logistics software, the digital maps manager told me the OS were *very* proactive about their copyright, and caught many dodgier (we paid for our maps) outfits out with minute features all over their maps.

This is ringing a very strong QI bell ....

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Jethro_uk

Or maybe they used this photocopier:

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-- Richard

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Richard Tobin

"If an electrician were to follow the so called 'regulations' given in this fake book, it could lead to electrocution, fire and/or possibly spumones untimely death."

Spumones?

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mike

or start with an electronic copy.

It's an example of a publication which is way over-priced and effectively holds electricians to ransom by being single-sourced, so it's a prime target for a forgery, as IET/BS effectively make it so lucrative to do so.

Didn't need to put deliberate errors in - it was impossible to produce mathematical tables without lots of accidental transcription errors.

That was the whole point of Babbage's difference engine - it directly produced the plaster casts for the lead printing blocks so there was no opportunity for any transcription errors, only Babbage couldn't afford to build enough of it, so the problem persisted for almost all the years mathematical tables were printed.

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Andrew Gabriel

Yup, had two of those machines with those same strange problems.

Not too convenient for the legal* company these monster machines were installed in - we had printer support engineers onsite for days trying lots of things hardware & software to no avail.

  • yup, legal. Folks that count on every scrap of printed information being exactly right....
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Adrian C

mike put finger to keyboard:

The little-known Ramones tribute band.

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Scion

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y the genuine product and then fake it, all seems rather strange to me.

I bet they'd charge more for that. ;-)

I agree they said it cost £80 a copy.

One error was that the tables indicated you needed 35mm trunking whioch isn ;t made in 35mm sizes, perhapos it meant 32mm.

I heard that in certain areas sich as docks german spies had submitted moir e detailed maps to the Gernams than the OS maps did to our maps.

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whisky-dave

On 12/08/2014 16:46, whisky-dave wrote: ..

In which war? SFAIK, German documents confirm that in WW2 we intercepted and either executed or turned every spy the Germans sent against us.

Reply to
Nightjar

I just feel that as the OS is (was?) "ours" we should have access to their information as of right. Anyway the information is there for anyone to go and see, it's "on the ground" as it were.

... OpenMaps anyone? :-)

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cl

This is, and always was, c*ck. If you didn't have shares in it then you didn't own any of it. And even if you do own shares in a company, does that entitle you to their products free of charge?

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Tim Streater

Ordnance Survey is a government department so, in a sense, we do own it.

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Nightjar

It wasn't originally "a company" it was part of government.

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cl

It was originally part of the War Office (army). It's now an Agency, but there are plans to "privatise" it.

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charles

It still is: a non-ministerial department.

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Nightjar

Though I generally agree with you, I can see the argument against.

A few people and companies will make extensive use of the information, while most will make very little, if any. Why should the few be subsidised by the many?

-- Richard

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Richard Tobin

I can see that a slightly incorrect kink in the road isn't going to kill anybody

but a deliberately wrong figure in a log table just might :-(

tim

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