ELECTRICAL INSTALLATION CONDITION REPORT question

Aug 06, 2026 Last reply: 1 month ago 31 Replies

My daughter's flat has failed an EICR because the wiring to 20 GU10 down lighters, with LED bulbs, is faulty. The single insulation red and black wires are exposed but the outer sheath has not been continued into the bulb holder. Now I know if a three pin plug is wired such that the whole cable is not in the clamp is a failure as live and neutral single insulated conductors are exposed and could be touched but I thought it was alright if there was a secondary safety cover, like a meter box door prevents access to the single insulated meter tails. These exposed single insulated conductors are only accessible if the units are pried from the ceiling·



It's an expensive repair as the GU10 fittings are unable to accept the full flex, so they will all have to be replaced. The chap who carried out the test wants £700.



Where's ADW when I want him ;-)


What were they scored at? C1, C2 or C3?

What was the reason for doing the EICR? Is it say a rental, or up for sale?

Theo

C2>

Potentially either.

That is not sufficient. They must be in an enclosure like these:-

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That sounds expensive. Even assuming replacement fittings are £10 each which seems a typical trade price that is £200 for the fittings so £500 for the work assuming there is sufficient space and spare cable. If there isn't enough cable or space then its a lot more work.

I would ask for an itemised estimate stating how long the work will take, the hourly rate and the cost of parts...

You do understand that you are under no obligation to use the person who carried out the EICR to do the remedial work.

no idea.

Dave

If it is in-accessible I believe it should be C3 but I am not a qualified electrician.

Gone to Norway with the parrots I fear...

I think I would go 'EICR shopping'. Cheaper to get another EICR than spend the 700 quid. If the original was a budget EICR outfit then now you know how they make their money.

All of the recessed light fittings that I removed had nowhere to grip the cable sheath - they were just two brass screw terminals each with a single-insulated wire going into them, much like a light switch. In the EICR they got:

  • 4no downlights not fire rated
  • Non earthed singles in lighting circuit
  • Switch wires no identified

which were fair enough at C3. No mentions of cable restraint.

Since it's all tucked up in the ceiling, I can't see how not having a cable grip is going to be a problem if the fitting is left undisturbed.

Theo

I had an electrician who said 'downstairs shower lights are not suitable for shower use'. Since they were installed exactly because they were, I disregarded everything else he had to say

I have to wonder if some future inspector is going to spot where I returned a light switch indicator neon to Earth because there was no Neutral available!>

There the whole repressive overreach of Part P is justified in a nutshell.

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I've got one like that on my security light. The alternative was to wire it across the switch.

I think as it is it might fail a Megger test.

Brian

Er.. the purpose of the Neon was to alert the catering dept. that they had left the Pantry light on rather than off:-)>

Working in Bradford for the school holidays.

Long shifts.

Lots going on (everyone has a brother) asbestos everywhere, dementia cases diagnosed for the elderly, had a nice trip to Scarborough to watch Jasper Carrott, tickets booked for Peter Kay and Jim Davidson. Bill Wright sends his best wishes (on holiday with Helen) etc etc

Are you a biryani or vindaloo fan? ;-)

Always in demand!

Regards to Bill too, and if anyone hasn't heard of him see

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(when was that middle photo taken?).

He said ADW...???

Why not fit one of those staircase timer switches that you press for on and after a short while it turns off.

Or have a ball and fit a PIR to detect movement in the pantry (though this might catch you out if you resort to late-night 'tasting)

My brother has terminal asbestosis - after working all his life as a teacher. Work that one out. Must have been all those buildings flung up in a hurry between 1945 and 1970, with storage heaters full of asbestos insulation.

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