Its back to the inspection and QA again then. I mean if you don't sort out the dodgy bits before you make it available and use the public as testers you really should have a longer Warranty in my view. Brian
It is still often the same stuff produced on the same production line though. It might be ripping off the branded item, but it is likely to be exactly the same - just not counted in the total.
For rip-offs produced on the legitimate production line, it would not be worth changing the components of a device, when they've got the design, set-up, supply sourcing and advertising for free!
For other items it is different. Here in the UK, I have been in a number of industrial bakeries and for example, some production lines produce Warburton's Crumpets, Sainsbury's own label and Basics ranges on the same production line, simply changing the ingredients placed in the mixer, possibly temperatures/times and packaging.
I've wiped one or two lead joints (although the only lead we have left now is the supply to the house), but I am definitely not a plumber - I don't even know where my moleskin has gone.
Dave Plowman (News) formulated the question :
Of course the supplier wins, they are never charities - they are a business and need to make a profit.
Back in the day, many companies were set up as a source to rent TV's and it was a sensible option to rent one.
Dave Plowman (News) formulated on Sunday :
...and joiners too before then, back in the days when the job involved cables run in wooden 'trunking'.
Steve Walker pretended :
Me too, I used to love wiping joints and gained quite a good reputation for the ability. By then it had become an almost obsolete skill. I last needed to do one in this house, before it had a full refurbed back in the early 80's.
It was never anymore sensible to rent a TV over anything else. Like say a car. At the end of the day, you pay for the service they provide.
Other thing was the own brand sets many of the rental companies supplied were hardly state of the art, even in the day. Famously, the lack of a black level clamp. And a pretty basic cabinet. Bit like a car maker only offering a basic model.
even charities need to cover their costs
I can remember going to the Radio Show in 1963 to pick a tv for getting BBC2. I only found one tv manufactuere who knew what a black level clamp was; and yes, their set had one. It was the one I bought. I'm pretty sure it was Pye.
the knock-offs tend to be the ones made as branded product that didn't meet quality control
as recommended by someone on this group i bought a Breville which only heats a cup full of water and so is quicker than heating a pint and also saves electricity, maybe enough to pay for itself!
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JOOI, may I ask after how many years of service?
My experience with these 3KW jug kettles over the past decade or so (three failed kettles so far) with their directionally agnostic circular bases suggests they don't select a 'poorly made' element, finely crafted to fail with a comfortable margin just out of the basic one year warranty, to ensure repeat sales, since the cost of the precision required to achieve an 18 +/-5 months service life, would exceed that of an element designed simply to last the more usual 6 to 10 years (materials cost being pretty much the same in either case).
There are plenty of other candidate components within these kettles to choose from in order to achieve the required 'silent failure' expiry function. The obvious primary favourite being a cheap piece of plastic, readily replaced under warranty should they have miscalculated and land up inundated with in-warranty repairs that exhausts their stock of replacement spare kettles held aside to cover such outliers on the left of the peak of their calculated failure curve.
The manufacturers also include other failure modes to guard against the effects of clever DIY repair/prevention activities, classically that of leaking seals rather than rely on a potentially explosive failure of the element which is reserved as a final last ditch measure to ensure a continuing, if belated, demand for brand new replacement kettles. I'd expect them to be aiming for a much wider margin of 6 to 10 years service life for the heating element in this case since this won't be the limiting factor in the kettle's designed service life rating.
That of course, doesn't preclude the occasional premature failure (infant mortality) so some purchasers will find themselves either claiming on that first year warranty or else resorting to the SOGA against the retailer.
I realise you can choose a kettle that offers a five or six year warranty but this typically costs more than three times the price of one with a basic one year warranty and a life expectancy of 18 to 24 months which is why I decided to shell out the extra £2.59 for an additional two years warranty. Other than for their unconscionably short service life, these Cookware kettles are a perfect fit to their function... imo :)
Points:
1/. The amount of energy needed to heat a cup of water - or two or three- for a minute - pales into insignificance beside the amount needed to heat a house 24x7...
2/. Any waste heat heats the house anyway so its juts equivalent to a bit of electrical or other heating you didn't need.3/. Only an ArtStudent? would say 'maybe' - the rest should have enough theoretical knowledge to *work it out*.
E.g. there are ~250cc of water in a mugful. Average UK water temp is 9°C and boiling is 100°C.
so that to boil one cupful takes 250 x 91 calories = 2.275 kcal =
0.00264582At a cost of say 17p a unit, the cost of boiling one mug = 0.045p per cup approximately.
So if you make 4 cups per day the cost of making them will be £0.65p per year. Maybe the kettle might pay for itself in 100 years, but it wont last that long..
PS it is also possible to not fill a kettle to the brim.
Sorry but Sod's law has struck again
250 x 91 = 22.75 kCalQuite. I know of no kettle that requires a pint to cover the element.
it will, several times over if your household's kettle habits are anything approaching what I see.
it's still a saving.
And if you were to scale that up by 60m-odd, that's quite a lot of energy
+1, if only . . .
Bugger. Only the first cup of coffee.
Still it's a halfpenny a cup then
And £6.50 per year.
with something that only costs 5.50 in the first place, I doubt there's a market for knock-off kettles
The market for knock-offs exists with branded products, where there is a high price charged for the branding, but also a very high threshold of finish required
Put the cold-brew in the fridge before you go to bed, rather than put the kettle on after you get up ...
#MakeKettlesHistory
No, it isn't
Not compared with everything else.
As I have remarked before , Britain's total electrical generation amounts to half a dozen Hiroshima bombs *every day*.
I tried doing that once.
Once.
The only reason I drank the result is because I hate to waste anything and I'm not convinced pouring coffee over plants is good for them.
Nick
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