Elec chainsaw question

[Tim+]

If only there was an app where you two could compare attributes... oh, hang on, there is.

Tim

[T i m]

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And? Do any of them have 60' of branchless trunks?

I didn't mention tradition ... in fact it could well be the case we have only been using the likes of bean bags since we have been more concerned about H&S.

They had rocks those didn't they?

Don't need to, I'll stick with facts and not make things up with my though's thanks.

Why do you keep making stuff up? Where did I mention lead (even if lead was used)?

Partly that, plus it's not as aerodynamic.

Something with no give, even if lighter would hurt more than something with give. That's why they make the front of cars 'soft' to minimise the damage to pedestrians.

It's there as you descend and isn't once you have. Magic eh.

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How many more telegraph poles?

Why would I need to do that? You should get outside more!

I am, but maybe only to someone who isn't a troll / left brainer. If you can't read the spirit of my reply from what I wrote it's you who is deficient in comprehension.

Only because you made it up.

Ok, for the hard of thinking (AKA, 'left brainer'), YES I have both made and used a Prusik and daughter has used many regularly. OK, blatant enough for you now?

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I've just answered your question?

That seems pretty easy to comprehend, even for you?

So, how long have you been running your Arb business OOI?

How many expensive tools or bits of kit have you bought when you knew you were only likely to use them once or very infrequently (whilst paying to keep them in test)?

'Ropes' or 'climbing ropes' or 'lowering ropes' or what?

Why are you claiming I was only referring to the harness (that most climbers will wear, although again their are many different types, depending on if they are *just* for safely or mainly for working in) when I was referring to your whole scenario. If you are using a Prusik to climb a rope, what do you think it will be attached to (if not a harness)?

Silly boy. The point I was making is there is likely to be a different approach between people regularly climbing a tree as part of their job because they have to and climbing a rock face for fun. So, when something is 'your job' you are generally doing it regularly and have to be commercially viable. No such pressures exist when you are climbing rocks for fun.

See above re telegraph poles. You had better ask a telephone guy.

See above.

Already explained. Ladder and climb, throw line and climbing rope, spikes and strop (if ever climbing a pole or tree that was going to be felled) or MEWP.

Or it's cut off at the base whilst being supported by a helicopter, she went and bought one in case she was asked to remove telegraph poles. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[michael adams]

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Sorry I don't follow.

Are you suggesting that T i m and myself should change our personalities in some way, so as to not to unduly upset both yourself, and presumably those who you claim to represent ?

Other people Eh ?

If only everyone else in the world could be just like ourselves.

Perfect in every way

Oh and BTW, if you're not actually making a contribution to the thread as it doesn't seem to appear that you have, might I suggest you might try a bit of snipping ?

So even more perfect still !

michael; adams

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[michael adams]

Yes.

So are they traditional or not ?

Its a weight at the end of a line. I very much doubt aerodynamics come into it.

So she's half way up this tree at the top of this ladder looks in her climbing gear bag and ....

Anyway how are you on feeding bread to swans ? I looked this up years ago and both the swan sanctuary and the Quens swans bloke say its perfectly ok and anyway I only ever give them small bits of wholemeal. My big mistake was waiting for the rain to ease and so going out later 8'ish to feed the swans on the lake in the park. Rather than 7 Only just got started when some officious numpty starts up "Oy you can't feed bread to swans it will kill them. Points to some nonsense Council notice, The same numpty Council who drove away all the mandarin ducks from another park by "tidying up" the vegetation where they all roosted. The officious numpty had seeds and pellets all bought at great expense no doubt and was impervious to argument. So much for a restful walk in the park

michael adams

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[T i m]

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<sigh> You 'climb in / through / up the tree' by starting using a ladder, rope or MEWP to get into it.

I don't.

Yes, feeding a small amount of bread at a rate they can eat, whilst not being ideal from a dietary / nutritional POV, probably won't do them much harm.

For most lakes the biggest issue is any food not eaten before it sinks, then rotting and polluting the water. A mate (and wildlife warden) has seen people emptying a very large bag of bread and rolls (probably leftovers from a cafe) into a lake and just walking off. A better solution would be to put it all on a floating platform so the birds can get it but dogs / rats cant or it can't sink and rot.

Well I guess it might, if the waters get filled with algae or otherwise polluted?

You don't normally do any such / tree work during nest / breeding season.

Yup, because he probably had food that floated and that was more nutritious / balanced for them than just 'bread'.

If you just wanted a restful walk it might be best if you left the wildlife alone?

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

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It can be surprisingly hard work (especially for us geriatrics <g>), partially determined by how considerate the climbers / fellers are re how / if they pile it up or drop it down. Untangling brush to be able to drag it to the chipper / truck can make an already backbreaking job even harder.

One job daughter was on, she was on the saw (pyracantha , afterwards it looked like she'd been self harming with all the scratches up her arms) she was keeping 4 guys and a Transit tipper busy all day. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[michael adams]

throwbags were "traditional" or not, I believe.

I know that. But then you mention "spikes".

But when you actually moved her climbing gear bag yesterday there were no "spikes" in there ? Remember ? So where did the "spikes" come from all of a sudden ?

Who'd have guessed ?

That's probably true, The rules are mads for idiots who'd otherwise throw whole slices in. Only this bloke didn't seem to realise that

I feed the swans small bits individually into their mouths. Their beaks sre serrated but are unlikely to draw blood. There have been

17 swans for around 8 weeks now with no obvious origin. But there are also smaller birds, coots, moorehens tufted ducks and mallards which hang around behind to which you also need to throw individaul targeted pieces of bread,

They roost all year round. A roost is a place where they all rest when not swimming about.

It looks like there's a bit more googling needed on that one.

If it just floats all that happens is that its monopolised by the bigger birds the bullies who chase the others away. One of the pleasures of feeding ducks and swans is ensuring they all get their fair share, Even the ones at the back who are too timid

You're no different from bossy boots are you ? Ordering people about.

I wouldn't mind if he had a clue what he was talking about, but he didn't. What is it with some people ? Anyway I told him to look it up on the net for himself

michael adams

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[michael adams]

Pyracantha height 4ft - 9ft

Thought so.

Is that the one where you may need to stand on a chair ?

michael adams

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[T i m]

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I'm not sure you do, considering the question you asked above.

Correct.

I do, I was there.

This is the problem with left brainers (and trolls), no idea of context. I reset your ridiculously bogus starting point back to something more sensible. Try to take it from there.

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Not you apparently or I'm guessing you wouldn't have needed to ask.

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No probably about it.

The rules have to be made *because* of the idiots, yes.

I think he did, if they had an issue with the swans there being overfed, even if not solely by you. 10 swans, 1000 people per day, one (wholemeal even) slice each ...

Aww. Then you go home and eat duck or chicken?

Depends how long they hold onto your bare skin for ...

(The resultant of daughter carrying a goose 1/2 mile with it's leg that was hanging off down to discarded fishing line).

'Nature'. See, animal do exist even if we don't breed them (well, assuming we don't kill them all).

Yup, I have fed them (bread) when a kid, then I learned better.

That's ok then, they will have found somewhere else till that habitat grows back.

Again, assuming I'm actually interested ... (and I'm not).

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Then you go home and eat your chicken, duck or Turkey?

In that I would actually like people to leave the wild animals alone? No.

Not sure how I can do that from here? You really are guilty / paranoid aren't you?

And you did, him wanting people to only feed the birds suitable foods and you wanting to give them bread?

What, wanting to look after the best interests of animals, weird eh?

And I bet he appreciated some nutter trying to 'Boss him about'?

See, people like you really don't 'get' it all do you. I don't feed the swans because people like you do. The other guy preferred you didn't feed the swans bread because that's not their natural food, filling them up with empty carbs and not giving them the nutrients they would typically get if people like you didn't feed them crap.

But hey, you don't have to listen to me (and being a left brainier, you obviously wouldn't anyway ...).

"Swans normally find enough food in the wild without supplementary feeding. It is only in freezing weather that extra food can be helpful. Many people like feeding bread to swans, but when it's fed in large quantities, it can cause dietary problems, and is no substitute for the proper diet that the birds themselves will seek out."

Cheers, T i m

[1] Again, it's 'many people like ...', not what's best for the animals themselves.

[T i m]

Googling again?

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For what goal?

Cheers, T i m

[Tim Lamb]

In message [e-mail]>, michael adams [e-mail]> writes

Point of order.. I have met Tim's daughter and she is OK/normal.

[michael adams]

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Indeed not. You seem to lose interest in lots of things all of a sudden don't you ? "Traditional" throw bags and now roosts

Yes of course I do Tim. No actually I have swan. You can buy it in Fortnum and Mason you know. Swan slices in jelly.

But bossy boots was already feeding the swans Tim. He wasn't leaving wild animals alone was he ?

Basically letting them settle on a lake in a park isn't doing them any favours really is it ? Maybe they should all be rounded up and taken somewhere more "wild" don't you think ?

You're ordering people about all the time Tim. Time Tim. Time Tim. It's your default mode of address almost. Insisting they change their way of life.

Do I really need to quote the Swan Sanctuary and the Queens Swan keeper who directly contradict that nonsense. All food fed to swans is a supplement to their natural diet, underwater plants they feed off and snails etc. which are attached.

And you will of course be pleased to know Tim, that your sanctimonious attitude and that of people like you to the feeding of bread to swans was the direct cause of numerous swan deaths during the last hard winter. Ordinary people stopped feeding swans and ducks bread as a direct result of people like you and swans died as a result

See above, Swan killer !

Animal Welfare: Starving swans 'can be fed bread'

This topic was a test to see how much you actually knew about this subject.

I'm not really interested in your RSPB link as they are in a clear minority on this question and are probably in receipt of sponsorship from wild bird food manufacturers in any case.

I notice you attempted to backtrack, but it's all too late I'm afraid.

michael adams

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[michael adams]

So as to reach the top of the "tree", of cousee.

michael adams

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[T i m]

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Bwhahaha ... like you could ever be the judge of that, freak!

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No, of course you aren't, you are so desperate to try to conflate feeding starving swans *something*, (even bread if that's all that's available) and not distracting swans from finding their own food themselves during times of plenty?

But being a left brained troll that's pretty well all you could do isn't it.

Byeee!!!

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

Why would you want to reach the top of the *shrub* when cutting it down / out?

*Every* time you open your mouth you put your size 10's in it don't you?

Is it that you aren't allowed out (into the real world) or choose not to go out?

I'm not interested in the answer btw and byeee!

Cheers, T i m

[Tim Lamb]

In message <Oo6dnW1Nh6u_0SzCnZ2dnUU78L [e-mail]>, jim <k@?.?.invalid> writes

Gave me some nice chain saw carved Toadstools.

[michael adams]

Of course, Swans are so stupid, so easily distracted from doing something they've been doing for millions of years. And the idea of building up reserves for the winter during "times of plenty" has clearly never ocurred either to yourself or the numpy who wrote the page on the RSPB website. As long as there's been a Sainsbury or a Waitrose within driving distance, there's never been any chance of either of you two having to lay up reserves for winter.

Going out with the daughter to chop down some more trees, are you ?.

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"Taking down" - i.e. killing trees.

You can see the source of my confusion I take it?

Why would someone who was supposedly so concerned about the welfare of wildlife, want to go around chopping down trees ?

Why would the wildlife who live in thsoe trees want you to chop them down ?

Oh sorry - "chog" them. Not kill them by cutting them down, bit by bit but "chog" them.

Birds may well have roosted in those trees. Sorry I forgot, roosts are also where birds sleep at night. When I was explaining to you before what "roosts" were, I only mentioned ducks. But birds roost too at night when they're not flying about.

But I'm sure you've got a very good explanation of why your daughter goes around chopping down all those trees, sorry "chogging" them sometimes even with your help I believe.

It was the Council made me do it ! I was only following orders !

Pathetic.

Oh and BTW chum you're no more a vegan than is Jeremy Clarkson.

And don't ask me how I know.

michael adams

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[michael adams]

Oh so you're not content with just going around chopping down trees,

- sorry "chogging" them, you're cutting down shrubs as well, depriving yet more wildlife of a home ?

Nope.

Next question ?

michael adams

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[Muddymike]

Whenever possible only cut on the side where the chain returns towards the motor with the gripped held against the workpiece.

Mike

[T i m]

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Do they still exist then? Not dissolved into the environment? ;-)

Cheers, T i m