Earthing/grounding mat for bed: Anecdotal experience?

[David Wade]

Well seeing as the "Earth pin" on a mains socket isn't at "earth potential" and the earth wire usually has large amounts of electrical noise present I can't see how they can work.

[Tim+]

They take money from the gullible. I almost wish I could stoop to that level. Must be fortunes to be made from “herbal vaccines”, whole body harmonic stabilisers etc..

Tim

[David Wade]

Tim,

Perhaps we need to think small, gold plated HDMI & USB leads. Oxygen free speaker wire, those plug-in electricity power savers...

Dave

[Vir Campestris]

Brian, the point about film badges was to tell whether you were safe to carry on working in areas with low level radiation.

Andy

[The Natural Philosopher]

The ignorance surrounding radiation is massive, and deliberately fostered

[Scott]

What about one of these earthing straps that you attach to your wrist when working on a computer? Also, equipotential bonding with anyone else occupying the same bed :-)

[Thomas Prufer]

Is that equipotential bondage?

Thomas Prufer

[Scott]

Yes, a good earth is always important. You cannot be too careful.

[Ottavio Caruso]

Op 26/08/2023 om 09:41 schreef Scott:

THE JOURNAL OF ALTERNATIVE AND COMPLEMENTARY MEDICINE Volume 13, Number 9, 2007, pp. 955–967 © Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. DOI: 10.1089/acm.2007.7048

Can Electrons Act as Antioxidants? A Review and Commentary

JAMES L. OSCHMAN, Ph.D.

ABSTRACT A previous study demonstrated that connecting the human body to the earth during sleep (earthing) normalizes the daily cortisol rhythm and improves sleep. A variety of other benefits were reported, including reductions in pain and inflammation. Subsequent studies have confirmed these earlier findings and documented virtually immediate physiologic and clinical effects of grounding or earthing the body. It is well established, though not widely known, that the surface of the earth possesses a limitless and continuously renewed supply of free or mobile electrons as a consequence of a global atmospheric electron circuit. Wearing shoes with insulating soles and/or sleeping in beds that are isolated from the electrical ground plane of the earth have disconnected most people from the earth’s electrical rhythms and free electrons. The most reasonable hypothesis to explain the beneficial effects of earthing is that a direct earth connection enables both diurnal electrical rhythms and free electrons to flow from the earth to the body. It is proposed that the earth’s diurnal electrical rhythms set the biological clocks for hormones that regulate sleep and activity. It is also suggested that free electrons from the earth neutralize the positively charged free radicals that are the hallmark of chronic inflammation. A relationship between cortisol and inflammation was established in the pioneering work of H. Selye published in the 1950s. Current biomedical research has led to an inflammation hypothesis that is establishing chronic inflammation as the culprit behind almost every modern chronic illness. The research summarized here and in subsequent reports provides a basis for a number of earthing technologies that restore and maintain natural electrical contact between the human body and the earth throughout the day and night in situations where going barefoot on the earth is impractical. It is proposed that free or mobile electrons from the earth can resolve chronic inflammation by serving as natural antioxidants.

[David Wade]

That would be fine if the pin in a plug labelled "Earth" was connected to earth. In the UK generally ts not...

[Roger Hayter]

I suppose you are aware that this is total nonsense?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Oh it is. Eventually

[Ottavio Caruso]

Op 26/08/2023 om 23:15 schreef David Wade: .

This is what I fear. I learnt this while preparing for the Amateur Radio exam. What about the metal on the radiators?

[Ottavio Caruso]

Op 27/08/2023 om 00:49 schreef Roger Hayter:

It's been published on a scientific magazine. Have you published anything on a scientific magazine?

[David Wade]

If the pipes are copper they are usually bonded to the earth pin in the plug. If there are plastic pipes they may just be floating.

Dave

[David Wade]

Its not scientific. For it to be scientific you would need to do double blind testing. So you need to have real and fake earth mats which appear identical, and distribute them to the people in the trial in such a way that any one who interacts the the people in the trial don't know which is which. If you don't do that then the placebo effect, which is well documented, dominates.

As for radiators, plumbing or other exposed metal work in a house, its either bonded to the mains earth, so generally noisy with RF, or totally insulated, so floating. The rules that permit it to float were only introduced recently so in many, I would say most, houses its still bonded. The bonding ensures that all exposed metal is at the same potential, which may not be "earth potential", so if you, for example touch an earthed metal lamp and a radiator, no current can flow.

Oh and yes the earth pin does eventually connect to the real earth, but the connection may be a long way away and the "goodness" of that connection may be poor which is why radio amateurs often install additional earths, but it must be done carefully.

Which alerts me to the fact that no where in the paper do they compare different earth resistances (should actually be impedances) or check the actual earth pin potential to check the effect.

its total bunkum....

Dave

[Paul]

THE JOURNAL OF ALTERNATIVE AND COMPLEMENTARY MEDICINE <=== Yikes.

"This study is from the J Altern Complement Med, which isn't a reliable source. The [Wikipedia page] explains: Quackwatch has included the journal on its list of "nonrecommended periodicals", characterizing it as "fundamentally flawed". "

Someone explains here, how what the journal does, is not science.

Paul

[David Wade]

I suppose at this point its interesting to note that if you had accepted the conclusions in the paper without question, bought and installed one, then it is likely you would have felt it was beneficial because of the placebo effect.

Dave

[The Natural Philosopher]

THE JOURNAL OF ALTERNATIVE AND COMPLEMENTARY MEDICINE

That is not a scientific magazine. It's new age bunk

Precisely do. Only remoaners are naive enough to believe s**te like that.

[Roger Hayter]

There are plenty of scientific magazines which will publish anything for which you pay the publication fee. And if their peer review (if any) was by people who do Reiki candles and homeopathy I think I would believe more Sun editorials.