I have a usb3 1TB Hitachi hdd with which I have a problem, the drive
is recognised and the folders are all, bar one, displayed in the pick
table but all the folder contents appear empty. I suspect the table
shown is a previous one and hence the pointers are mis directing. The
disk properties show 180GB used.
Before I send it away to a data recovery firm is there anything simple
I can do to recover files?
On 20/10/17 10:01, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Nip around to the newsagents and buy the latest Linux magazine with a
free DVD on the cover. The flavour of Linux is not important. Boot it up
as a "live" Linux in the machine's optical drive or from an external
drive - you don't have to install anything but you may have to change
the boot order in the BIOS to do this or interrupt the boot on switch-on
(dabbing at <f9> during boot-up does it for me with my HP machines.) If
they are still intact, you may be able to see the files and their
contents and copy them onto a memory stick or external HDD using the
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:14:55 +0100, Nick Odell wrote:
"testdisk" is the utility you need to start with. Plenty of resources
If you have decent internet access you can download a CD/DVD image of one
of a plethora of recovery suites that can be run from booting the media.
(USB too, if your hardware supports USB boot).
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:01:03 +0100, email@example.com wrote:
If you did want to have a go yourself the first thing I recommend you
do is take an image of the drive (various way of doing that) and then
playing with that. Then, if all else fails or you make things worse,
you still have the original drive to send away.
Ten, you can even run stuff like Chkdsk to see if there are any basic
filesystem type faults or Testdisk to copy recover the data etc.
A simple way to clone a drive is with one of the small desktop drive
cloning units (~25 quid on ebay) when you just plug the master into
one bay and the destination drive (bigger or the same size as the
original) into the other and press a button (do be very sure you get
them the right way round re Master and Slave though!!!!).
<cough> Backups?  ;-(
Cheers, T i m
 It's because I know how 'lazy' we all are (here at home) re
backups I made sure that was covered and pretty cheaply at the time
with a Windows Home Server (about 50 quid for the OS at the time).
Stick it on an old PC and it backs up all your PC's daily and
automatically without anyone having to do a thing ... and given 'most
people' (especially those who have ever lost a lot of data) don't
generally bother backing stuff up (other than in the cloud possibly
these days), it has proved invaluable. ;)
You can restore anything from a single file to a complete bootable
WHS (retrospectively referred to as V1) is actually Windows Server
2003 behind the user 'Dashboard', and the second (and last) version
(WHS 2011, go figure) is built on Windows Server 2008 (all from
So, they are both stand-alone / commercial Server OS's that have been
tweaked to make them user friendly for home use.
Basically both will support a maximum of 10 'Users' (that could be
shared) and / or machines (unique, for backups) and are very easy to
setup (you boot the CD and then follow the prompts). ;-)
We have used it (V1) in earnest at least a couple of times in the
<checks> 2418 days it's been online now. Both times the hdd failed in
the wife's PC and I stuck a new one in, booted the generic client
recovery CD, selected her account to recover off the server (all
wizard based) and around 40 minutes later she was all back up and
running exactly as she was the day before. ;-)
Initially I tried to build a file / backup server using Linux but
after wasting several days I gave up, spent the 50 quid and WHS was up
and running a few hours later. ;-)
I have also recommended it to a few mates with small businesses and
they are all equally happy (considering the cost and complexity of any
alternatives that offer the same features).
The server backs up the clients then can backup both itself (and the
client backups) onto another drive (I have a USB / removable). The
server can be recovered in a similar way to the clients, using a
Why MS stopped making it I don't know. ;-(
Cheers, T i m
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:31:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Whilst Linux can be free, my time isn't always (depending on what I'm
As a general file server, I'm sure it's ok.
As an easy to configure fully automated backup solution for all our
Windows PC's and laptops, not to me it wasn't.
And I would be very interested to hear from someone who actually
'knows Linux' (so not you as you are just full of bluster when it
actually comes down to it) to confirm just how easy / possible it
would be to duplicate the functionality I currently use and enjoy (and
have done for the last 6+ years) using Linux.
eg, Once a day, a bare iron incremental (and fully retention time
configurable) backup using shadow copies (so no open files are
skipped) and where no files are duplicated on the server if common
across all 10 client machines (saving server space). A bare iron image
that I can recover using a few mouse clicks from a generic recovery
Where the total server drive capacity can be created using a drive
pool yet each drive could still be accessed individually and were
critical data can (optionally) be forced to be duplicated across more
than one drive.
And assuming I value my time at £25/hour, something I can setup in two
hours without having to learn anything?
Cheers, T i m
Win10 will do file history to a "linux" server.
What you do once you have one copy on the server is the interesting bit
as its not a backup yet.
My servers are linux based but I don't actually need to SSH into them to
But then its a system designed for a job not a linux desktop.
Don't forget, the likes of TNP are part of the LinuxBorg hive so that
sort of thing ... and even considering the need to have to do that
sort of thing, is considered perfectly acceptable / reasonable to
So, find anyone looking at a failed hard drive (potentially containing
their entire photographic / document life) and the cost of even seeing
if they can get it recovered professionally, V 50 quids worth of WHS
and an old PC (or even a new one), they would consider the value of a
WHS (or similar from a NAS etc) very good VFM (or even 'cheap'). And,
they (ordinary users, not part of the LinuxBorg collective) and after
being given a few pointers, would be able to make good use of such a
solution. To get even close on Linux, you would be *expected* to have
to be assimilated into the LinuxBorg collective, discard any friends,
family or normal lifestyle, build yourself a basement and resign
yourself to reading .man files and pouring over code and CLI
gobbledygook for the rest of your (often sad) life. ;-)
All that is why, a good few years after Linux became useable on the
desktop (as a web-terminal / typewriter), it's still pretty well
unknown to anyone.
Linux (to most) is that deal that is too good to be true ... because
it is, because there is often a big 'gotcha' that makes it a non
starter. It is the electric car in an IC car world. That doesn't make
it in itself bad, it just means it generally doesn't fit in and for
all but a few, is totally unusable (let alone ideal) as an everyday
Feck, even TNP would have to run Windows if he was only allowed to
have one OS (and not run his 'Windows only' stuff in a Windows VM on
Linux and make believe he isn't still running Windows). Bless. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
Of course if I had to run one I would eschew windows completely.
The magic of Linux is that I dont have to.
But remember' you do need to be able to think and have more than half a
brain for linux, which is why windows exists
"It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing
conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:56:17 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Course you would.
Really? Oh, sorry, I know ... the denial that Windows in a VM isn't
Windows ... Bwhahahahaha!
Bingo. Windows is for the vast majority of ordinary people who
actually have lives and can do everything they want easily under
Windows and then the tiny (and often weird) minority who don't have
lives (or girlfriends in many cases) and who want to make a hobby /
study out of what should be (in 2017) an appliance.
The irony of course is whenever I've pushed *you* to giving any real
technical solutions to my Linux problems (that you can't easily Google
to, as if you could I would already have done so), you faceplant then
run away crying. ;-(
Cheers, T i m
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:21:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
Why are you in denial?
So do I .. I can either reboot into OSX or Linux or could run a
Windows VM on OSX / Linux or run Linux in a VM on Windows. What do you
think you are doing that is so special (apart from actually having
access to Windows to run your Windows only programs)?
Or thanks to Windows.
Who does, given the vast majority of people run Windows in the desktop
and have no issues?
You are continually dissing Windows (hypocrite) and Advocating Linux.
No, you are too full of bluster to actually answer my Linux questions.
We all know why I have them, it's because I'm trying to use it (unlike
the vast majority etc).
There is no way a left brained LinuxBorg *couldn't* answer a technical
question if they had the answer! ;-)
Cheers, T i m
On 22/10/2017 19:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I have had Windows machine run for months without reboot. I would say
the issue between Windows and Linux are on par.
Things have come a long way since Win95, where reliability was measured
in reboots per day.
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