diy data recovery

I have a usb3 1TB Hitachi hdd with which I have a problem, the drive is recognised and the folders are all, bar one, displayed in the pick table but all the folder contents appear empty. I suspect the table shown is a previous one and hence the pointers are mis directing. The disk properties show 180GB used.
Before I send it away to a data recovery firm is there anything simple I can do to recover files?
AJH
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On 20/10/17 10:01, snipped-for-privacy@loampitsfarm.co.uk wrote:

Nip around to the newsagents and buy the latest Linux magazine with a free DVD on the cover. The flavour of Linux is not important. Boot it up as a "live" Linux in the machine's optical drive or from an external drive - you don't have to install anything but you may have to change the boot order in the BIOS to do this or interrupt the boot on switch-on (dabbing at <f9> during boot-up does it for me with my HP machines.) If they are still intact, you may be able to see the files and their contents and copy them onto a memory stick or external HDD using the Linux OS.
Good luck
Nick
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:14:55 +0100, Nick Odell wrote:

"testdisk" is the utility you need to start with. Plenty of resources online.
If you have decent internet access you can download a CD/DVD image of one of a plethora of recovery suites that can be run from booting the media. (USB too, if your hardware supports USB boot).
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:01:03 +0100, snipped-for-privacy@loampitsfarm.co.uk wrote:

If you did want to have a go yourself the first thing I recommend you do is take an image of the drive (various way of doing that) and then playing with that. Then, if all else fails or you make things worse, you still have the original drive to send away.
Ten, you can even run stuff like Chkdsk to see if there are any basic filesystem type faults or Testdisk to copy recover the data etc.
A simple way to clone a drive is with one of the small desktop drive cloning units (~25 quid on ebay) when you just plug the master into one bay and the destination drive (bigger or the same size as the original) into the other and press a button (do be very sure you get them the right way round re Master and Slave though!!!!).
<cough> Backups? [1] ;-(
Cheers, T i m
[1] It's because I know how 'lazy' we all are (here at home) re backups I made sure that was covered and pretty cheaply at the time with a Windows Home Server (about 50 quid for the OS at the time). Stick it on an old PC and it backs up all your PC's daily and automatically without anyone having to do a thing ... and given 'most people' (especially those who have ever lost a lot of data) don't generally bother backing stuff up (other than in the cloud possibly these days), it has proved invaluable. ;)
You can restore anything from a single file to a complete bootable system.
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:34:29 +0100, T i m wrote:

Some offers of a download/key for £15 or so on eBay at the moment - prob have to run it on XP/Vista though - just a thought.
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wrote:

WHS (retrospectively referred to as V1) is actually Windows Server 2003 behind the user 'Dashboard', and the second (and last) version (WHS 2011, go figure) is built on Windows Server 2008 (all from memory).
So, they are both stand-alone / commercial Server OS's that have been tweaked to make them user friendly for home use.
Basically both will support a maximum of 10 'Users' (that could be shared) and / or machines (unique, for backups) and are very easy to setup (you boot the CD and then follow the prompts). ;-)
We have used it (V1) in earnest at least a couple of times in the <checks> 2418 days it's been online now. Both times the hdd failed in the wife's PC and I stuck a new one in, booted the generic client recovery CD, selected her account to recover off the server (all wizard based) and around 40 minutes later she was all back up and running exactly as she was the day before. ;-)
Initially I tried to build a file / backup server using Linux but after wasting several days I gave up, spent the 50 quid and WHS was up and running a few hours later. ;-)
I have also recommended it to a few mates with small businesses and they are all equally happy (considering the cost and complexity of any alternatives that offer the same features).
The server backs up the clients then can backup both itself (and the client backups) onto another drive (I have a USB / removable). The server can be recovered in a similar way to the clients, using a recovery CD.
Why MS stopped making it I don't know. ;-(
Cheers, T i m
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On 20/10/17 12:27, T i m wrote:

Because linux is free and works better?

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On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:31:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher

Whilst Linux can be free, my time isn't always (depending on what I'm doing).

As a general file server, I'm sure it's ok.
As an easy to configure fully automated backup solution for all our Windows PC's and laptops, not to me it wasn't.
And I would be very interested to hear from someone who actually 'knows Linux' (so not you as you are just full of bluster when it actually comes down to it) to confirm just how easy / possible it would be to duplicate the functionality I currently use and enjoy (and have done for the last 6+ years) using Linux.
eg, Once a day, a bare iron incremental (and fully retention time configurable) backup using shadow copies (so no open files are skipped) and where no files are duplicated on the server if common across all 10 client machines (saving server space). A bare iron image that I can recover using a few mouse clicks from a generic recovery CD.
Where the total server drive capacity can be created using a drive pool yet each drive could still be accessed individually and were critical data can (optionally) be forced to be duplicated across more than one drive.
And assuming I value my time at £25/hour, something I can setup in two hours without having to learn anything?
Cheers, T i m
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On 20/10/2017 13:19, T i m wrote:

Win10 will do file history to a "linux" server. What you do once you have one copy on the server is the interesting bit as its not a backup yet.
My servers are linux based but I don't actually need to SSH into them to do anything.
But then its a system designed for a job not a linux desktop.
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:22:12 +0100, "dennis@home"

Does that provide an automatic and complete 'bare iron' recovery solution with the least amount of effort?

Ok.

Ok.

Ok.
If we could get away with Linux workstations and had a Linux server, I wonder if that would make things any better from a complete and automated solution POV?
Cheers, T i m
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On 20/10/17 17:00, T i m wrote:

Of course it would.
Any backup regime you want, just no expensive flashy app to do it. You might have to - gasp - set up a bit of software and write a small simple script.
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On 20/10/2017 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Which is exactly why people don't do it!
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:09:18 +0100, "dennis@home"

Bingo.
Don't forget, the likes of TNP are part of the LinuxBorg hive so that sort of thing ... and even considering the need to have to do that sort of thing, is considered perfectly acceptable / reasonable to them.
So, find anyone looking at a failed hard drive (potentially containing their entire photographic / document life) and the cost of even seeing if they can get it recovered professionally, V 50 quids worth of WHS and an old PC (or even a new one), they would consider the value of a WHS (or similar from a NAS etc) very good VFM (or even 'cheap'). And, they (ordinary users, not part of the LinuxBorg collective) and after being given a few pointers, would be able to make good use of such a solution. To get even close on Linux, you would be *expected* to have to be assimilated into the LinuxBorg collective, discard any friends, family or normal lifestyle, build yourself a basement and resign yourself to reading .man files and pouring over code and CLI gobbledygook for the rest of your (often sad) life. ;-)
All that is why, a good few years after Linux became useable on the desktop (as a web-terminal / typewriter), it's still pretty well unknown to anyone.
Linux (to most) is that deal that is too good to be true ... because it is, because there is often a big 'gotcha' that makes it a non starter. It is the electric car in an IC car world. That doesn't make it in itself bad, it just means it generally doesn't fit in and for all but a few, is totally unusable (let alone ideal) as an everyday solution.
Feck, even TNP would have to run Windows if he was only allowed to have one OS (and not run his 'Windows only' stuff in a Windows VM on Linux and make believe he isn't still running Windows). Bless. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
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On 21/10/2017 14:45, T i m wrote:

He gets away with it because his socks run the windows apps.
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On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:15:33 +0100, "dennis@home"

LOL (it takes all sorts I guess).
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On 21/10/17 17:57, T i m wrote:

Of course if I had to run one I would eschew windows completely.
The magic of Linux is that I dont have to.
But remember' you do need to be able to think and have more than half a brain for linux, which is why windows exists
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:56:17 +0100, The Natural Philosopher

Course you would.

Really? Oh, sorry, I know ... the denial that Windows in a VM isn't Windows ... Bwhahahahaha!

Bingo. Windows is for the vast majority of ordinary people who actually have lives and can do everything they want easily under Windows and then the tiny (and often weird) minority who don't have lives (or girlfriends in many cases) and who want to make a hobby / study out of what should be (in 2017) an appliance.
The irony of course is whenever I've pushed *you* to giving any real technical solutions to my Linux problems (that you can't easily Google to, as if you could I would already have done so), you faceplant then run away crying. ;-(
Cheers, T i m
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:21:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher

Why are you in denial?

So do I .. I can either reboot into OSX or Linux or could run a Windows VM on OSX / Linux or run Linux in a VM on Windows. What do you think you are doing that is so special (apart from actually having access to Windows to run your Windows only programs)?

Or thanks to Windows.

Who does, given the vast majority of people run Windows in the desktop and have no issues?

You are continually dissing Windows (hypocrite) and Advocating Linux.

No, you are too full of bluster to actually answer my Linux questions. We all know why I have them, it's because I'm trying to use it (unlike the vast majority etc).
There is no way a left brained LinuxBorg *couldn't* answer a technical question if they had the answer! ;-)
Cheers, T i m
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On 22/10/17 19:13, T i m wrote:

I have never met a single person who runs ANY dekstop who haqsnt had issues.
So we can see immdeietraly that yiu are lying.

Thats notr bluster D i m.

Pore Ole Dim. always going for the emotional narrative when common sense and logic fails

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On 22/10/2017 19:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I have had Windows machine run for months without reboot. I would say the issue between Windows and Linux are on par.
Things have come a long way since Win95, where reliability was measured in reboots per day.
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