Concerted and furious attempts were made to debunk it. They were not very sucessful. Everyone interested in this subject should read Lord Lawson's excellent little book 'An Appeal to Reason'. This examines in minute detail the economics of the various possible courses of action that mankind can take regarding alleged global warming, and concludes. . . well, go on, buy the book! It's only six quid.
Bill
WEll there you are sadly wrong.
Although I agree with your original post. Water vapour is already at saturation point. That why it keeps on raining.
Co2 is nowhere neat saturation point. It can keep rising a LOT.
We could eliminate almost all the excess CO2 in the atmosphere by simply using other forms of power and fuel. And waiting a thousand years.
Since we are lazy irresponsible beings, this will happen when the fossil fuel runs out, which it seems to be doing.
So, no need to worry about global warming: we did it, we can't undo it, and we will be fossil free in a few decades. Its just adapting to the next thousand years that will be 'interesting'
Lotst of people will die, and civilizations will fall. Nothing new there really.
tHts bollocks. Whatever the true reserves are, they aren't 'unlimited' and whatever they are, they are never 100% recoverable. If it takes more than a barrel of oil to extract a barrel of oil then as a fuel it is useless. Its negative equity time. Doesn't meant it couldn't still be used for making precious plastics though.
And the other issue is that its already far more epensive then nuclear energy, so there is no reason to use it to make electricity apart from political issues.
And if we use electric transport, no reason to put it in cars.
Oil won't run out: It will just price itself out of the market. It almost has already..
"Never"? That's a very long time, especially considering oil usage is constantly growing. However many "low grade reserves" you have, there is not an infinite supply of oil. It _will_ run out, if we keep using it at this ever increasing rate. The question is merely when.
Yes, eventually replacements (wind/tidal/solar/nuclear/geothermal) will become cheaper than oil. The question is how fast they will be able to be introduced, and how fast the price of oil will rise.
There's enough coal under Yorkshire to last the whole UK 300 years.
No we really won't. We have more oil reserves now than we've ever had before.
We should spend our wealth on adaptation, not on trying to do the impossible -- reducing CO2 to what it was before the western industrial revolution, whilst the eastern industrial revolution carries on merrily. Basically that's like the west burning £20 notes to reduce inflation whilst the east prints more of them.
Anyway, the 'problem' seems to be solving itself. Temperatures have stopped rising. Goodness knows what all those who have made such a good thing for themselves out of the current obsession will do for a living. Probably they'll go back to more overt ultra-left politics.
Incidentally, did anyone outside our TV region see those subversives who sat on top of a coal train near Drax and commenced the very hard labour of shovelling all the coal onto the track? A bit of technical knowledge would have helped them immensely. It isn't so difficult to open the hoppers and let the coal pour out of the bottom of the wagon.
Bill
Ohh, you little tinker! You were so keen to jump in there your fingers got in a twist!
No-one said they were. Although it could be the case that we could carry on finding new reserves faster than we use up the old ones for quite a while. Meanwhile, new energy sources will be found.
That simply wouldn't be viable, so I doubt if the oil men would even think of attempting to recover it, or the accountants would even think of counting it in the first place.
No, we're nowhere near that point. If we were you'd see a proliferation of steam cars and God knows what else on the sreets.
Bill
I should think he meant that the oil will last for the forseeable future. Perhaps 100 years. It would be quite absurd for us to trouble ourselves about what will happen after that.
The laws of supply and demand will solve everything.
Bill
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ISTR it was well and truly shot down
That I cane believe if they ain't going to make any money they won't do it.
That I'm not so sure about. It depends what the accountant is out to prove.
and compare it with the bits for approx 1880 and 1940. It looks like we're at the start of a downward trend. Incidentally, look also at the downward slope from 1940 t0 1960, when mankind was ramping up industrial production.
Bill
Point by point, no it wasn't. There was a lot of shouting and hyserics from the crypto left green axegrinders, but they couldn't really debunk it.
Bill
First rule of Usenet, if one is pointing out a typo one is sure to make a tpyo ones self! :~)
Why ever not, for many of the younger generation that will be within the life time of their own grand children, if not their own children life time - know if you mean 1000 years...
But I do, to pick up on a comment made elsewhere, think that this eco-concern has become the new socialism, a way to bash the capitalists whilst pushing eco-left policies that have f*ck all impact of CC/GW (and in some cases actually cause more problems, such as recycling) but act as a form of stealth taxation.
Nuclear is already cheaper than oil. So is hydro.
In places where it works so is geothermal and the odd tidal.
Windmills aren't when the total costs are taken into account.
Solar can be in certain locations but Britain ain't one of them.
It will last longer han that, because at 250 dollars a barrel+ no one will want to use it.
Eventually, but it will take a decade or two.
So where did it all magically appear from?
Tell that to the penguins
No comment.
Didn't need to since it didn't stand up on its own two feet in the first place.
New discoveries, no one truly knows how much oil is under the two ice caps for example whilst new discoveries are being made under the Southdown's for example.
Like our ancestors should have done, no doubt, at the end of the last ice-age when the penguins (or their ancestors) had to either move further north or adapt...
so basically a 'reserve' is a number on a piece of paper that may or may not be related to actual extractable oil in the ground in a place where it can be extracted?
Oil companies share prices are directly related to their reserves: Their directors remuneration is directly related to the share price.
Cui Bono?
Purrlease.
Just because green u washed are talking up their case doesn't mean the oil companies aren't.
So you admit that we are still in a cycle of highly rapid global warming, then?
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