Can somebody explain the changes in banking to a complete dumbo?

[Dave Liquorice]

And don't confuse using a VOIP app with WiFi Calling, they aren't the same thing.

[Dave Liquorice]

Who said it was? It's to provide an internet connection for the WiFi that a phone with the right firmware, with WiFi Calling enabled and permitted by the phone service provder to use as backhaul.

Virgin Mobile, along with most MVNO's, do not support WiFi calling. So it's not going to work no matter who is providing the internet backhaul.

[Dave Liquorice]

Not all cell towers carry all four networks.

Also on top a hill, also only one bar inside, nearest cell sites are about 4 miles away but have clear line of sight (hill fog permitting) to them. One of them only has two networks.

[Swer]

That?s not true of the now older iphones that apple sells more more cheaply than they originally sold that model for.

That?s just plain wrong.

[Roger Hayter]

The O2 app used the usual mobile number for incoming and outgoing calls. WiFi Calling is a form of voice over IP even if not standard VOIP. What is the essence of the distinction?

[Chris Green]

So, I currently spend maybe £20 per year on my mobile, are you telling me that I don't need to spend significantly more to get reliable WiFi calling?

[Swer]

Works fine.

Yes it does.

[Swer]

But touch ID or facial recognition on an iphone is vastly more secure and the phone is no use to someone who finds it or steals it.

[Swer]

Nope, I am saying that I get wifi calling for just $10/per month for unlimited calls and texts and SMSs to any landline or mobile in the country and 1GB of data and not much more for more data. And that it doesn?t cost much to get a wifi mobile capable phone even if you insist on it being brand new and you can obviously get a used one cheaper.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Change provider to one who does

It it bvecame a must have they would all provide it soon enough

Its odd that they dont becaquise it takes pressure off their infrastucture and puts it onto OpenReach's.

I think everyone has gone 5G mad. Wifi on every lamp post would be better

[The Natural Philosopher]

different protocols

Wifi calling tunnels *mobile* packets across the internet.

It doesnt build a native IP transport for e.g. voice.

The advantage is seamless transfer betweenm cell and wifi

(note that the above is out of date)

[The Natural Philosopher]

The link I found said it did

Its a fast moving field. Even the mobile operators web pages do not reflect the reality.

[dennis]

I proposed that in 2007 (IIRC). neither BT or any other supplier wanted to bear the cost. I suggested that they would use a mesh network and control the lamps from it and do fault reporting.

These days it might get trough as it would be easy to track RFID identity cards to lamppost level. I did also suggest that but I don't think it ever got to GCHQ as a proposal.

It might have got to the white house as did some of the other security stuff I proposed for networks, I do know Cisco were told to implement some of it under presidential orders, but I never found out which bits or if they use it.

There is quite a lot of stuff in networks that hollywood still gets wrong even though its been untrue for decades.

Like having to have a call answered to trace it.

[Dave Liquorice]

Keep up at the back, such dedicated lamp post mesh systems do exist now with all manner of features from CCTV down.

GIYF...

[Dave Liquorice]

And pay more...

3 PAYG: 1p/MB 2p/text 3p/min. I use about 500 MB, send 200 texts and about 10 mins of calls per month. 500 + 400 + 30 = £9.30. 30 day SMARTY (part of the Hutchison group who also own 3) "Small" costs £5.63/month unlimited text/mins 1 GB data.

I used to be with TPO (on EE) at £4.99/month until they folded, would have shifted to Asda Mobile (EE) £5.00/month but they don't allow call diversion to anywhere other than voice mail. To work around the poor signal at home I divert the phone set to a VOIP number when at home. Which has the advantage of side stepping the awful delay and poor codecs of the mobile.

Nearest lampost is at least a mile and a half away.

[Chris Green]

So $120/year (do you really mean dollars) isn't expensive compared with my £20/year or so? ... and I'd need to buy a new phone.

[Swer]

Add a prepaid sim from one who does and only use that when you need to be able to receive an SMS with a code in it for your net banking etc.

[Swer]

Yep.

No, that your cost is atypically low.

And if you want your low cost, just get a prepaid sim from a provider that does wifi calling and only use it for incoming code SMSs so it costs you no call or SMS fees.

Only because you were too stupid to get one that does wifi calling.

[dennis]

Want to tell me which ones in 2007?

[Andy Burns]

Proposed three years before then