Best product for decking, railing, etc.

Well, it's time to revisit the whole business of tarting up the "acres" of outdoor decking and railing which we inherited with this property and I'ld be grateful for people's thoughts.

I went quite deeply into the whole subject four years ago and decided that Sadolin was the best solution, largely because the manufacturers said reapplication does not require any sanding preparation beforehand. (You just reapply it.) However, one tin of Sadolin was close to £40, I seem to recall, and we needed about 6 tins.

Four whole years later, nearly all of the Sadolin on the horizontal decking, that's all the flat decking that looks up at the sky, has gone. It's been worn off by rain, snow, frost, ice, and, probably, the sun too. The wood is almost grey again, no trace of Sadolin on most of it, and ready to suck up another coat of something rich and brown.

The vertical railings and other sections of vertical wood are a different matter. The Sadolin on them has not worn off but it's become thin and turned dark in colour. It looks scrappy however because the Sadolin on these vertical surfaces has become so thin that wasps don't mind consuming it in summer in their quest for wood-fibre for nest-building! So these vertical surfaces are all dark brown with long thin white streaks on them, where the wasps have been nibbling.

So, if we choose Sadolin this time round we'll need two shades: a shade to darken the flat horizontal surfaces, and a shade with a degree of light (orange/yellow) colourant in it for the uprights - otherwise the uprights will end up looking black. And then following a good hosing down and a thorough drying out, Sadolin can just be painted over the surfaces. The problem is its price.

Now last year we actually added a small area of brand new decking and on this we used a Wilko's decking treatment. They do a range, from clear to dark, and their Sadolin "equivalent" is half the price of Sadolin (Just under £20 a tin). However, one full year later we have found that the Wilko product has lifted in certain places, like a thin film of pliable plastic, allowing water to easily get in underneath. Great disappointment. This has happened particularly on the tops of uprights. The Wilko's product has maintained a bond with the wood in those parts, which is bad news because the tops of posts are the most vulnerable parts in terms of lingering water and subsequent wood-rot. The Wilko's product seems to have adhered well to the fresh horizontal decking planks but even on them it has lifted off in the form of plastic film in a couple of small patches. We'll see how much more may have lifted in another year or two.

We were planning to recoat all the old decking with the Wilko's product but now this is obviously not the way to go. It looks like it's going to have to be the very expensive Sadolin.

But can anybody recommend any other (cheaper) brand?

It's purely decorative treatment and we want a product that won't require sanding away in another four years' time.

Thanks, Eddy.

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Eddy
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Welcome to the nannyworld of eco-rubbish wood preservatives. Get yourself something decent, ie creosote, it'll last many times as long.

NT

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NT

And yes you can still buy it in reasonable quantities but not from the sheds. eg

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jet black stuff has retained its colour over several years, although it does still eventually fade a little in the sun. No sign of any rot or decay though.

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Bob Minchin

Or do they simply take your word for it?

Bert

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Bert Coules

Thanks, NT, Bob, and Bert. Well, that's an interesting thought. I remember my father slapping creosote on our six-foot high wooden plank fences. Smelly stuff, and what he used was a very dark brown in colour. I remember it certainly soaked into the wood. But I also remember that as lad of 10 or so playing near it I had to be careful not to get it on me because it stained skin and clothes and was somewhat oily.

It's the oily bit that puts me off the idea of using it on decking. Doesn't any oily product used on horizontal surfaces grab hold of dirt and dust? And what about people bringing the stain in on the soles of their shoes?

But maybe creosote has been modified over the course of the past 40 years and is not now greasy and likely to transfer onto shoes etc?

I'll have to google it.

Thanks for the idea!

Any others?

Eddy.

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Eddy

Re. the possibility of using creosote on decking, a notice at

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"From 30th June 2003 only 'Professional Users' can purchase & use 25 and

200 Litre sizes. This includes agricultural (farmers, small holders), forestry and industrials. It is up to the professional person to conduct a COSHH asessment & ensure that: It should not be used in areas where is a risk of frequent skin contact (e.g. *Garden furniture) -EC actual text*. In parks or gardens. It should not be used on any containers or pots that come into contact with food stuffs. Not for use on children?s play equipment."

And Wikipedia has a collection of information on the health aspects of Creosote use at

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"According to the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR), eating food or drinking water contaminated with high levels of coal tar creosote may cause a burning in the mouth and throat, and stomach pains. ATSDR also states that brief direct contact with large amounts of coal tar creosote may result in a rash or severe irritation of the skin, chemical burns of the surfaces of the eyes, convulsions and mental confusion, kidney or liver problems, unconsciousness, and even death. Longer direct skin contact with low levels of creosote mixtures or their vapors can result in increased light sensitivity, damage to the cornea, and skin damage. Longer exposure to creosote vapors can cause irritation of the respiratory tract.

The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has determined that coal tar creosote is probably carcinogenic to humans, based on adequate animal evidence and limited human evidence. It is instructive to note that the animal testing relied upon by IARC involved the continuous application of creosote to the shaved skin of rodents. After weeks of creosote application, the animals developed cancerous skin lesions and in one test, lesions of the lung. The United States Environmental Protection Agency has stated that coal tar creosote is a probable human carcinogen based on both human and animal studies.[71] As such, the Federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has set a permissible exposure limit of 0.2 milligrams of coal tar creosote per cubic meter of air (0.2 mg/m3) in the workplace during an

8-hour day, and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) requires that spills or accidental releases into the environment of one pound (0.454 kg) or more of creosote be reported to them.[72]

There is no unique exposure pathway of children to creosote. Children exposed to creosote will probably experience the same health effects seen in adults exposed to creosote. It is unknown whether children differ from adults in their susceptibility to health effects from creosote.

A 2005 mortality study of creosote workers found no evidence supporting an increased risk of cancer death, as a result of exposure to creosote. Based on the findings of the largest mortality study to date of workers employed in creosote wood treating plants, there is no evidence that employment at creosote wood-treating plants or exposure to creosote-based preservatives was associated with any significant mortality increase from either site-specific cancers or non-malignant diseases. The study consisted of 2,179 employees at eleven plants in the United States where wood was treated with creosote preservatives. Some workers began work in the 1940s to 1950s. The observation period of the study covered 1979- 2001. The average length of employment was 12.5 years. One third of the study subjects were employed for over 15 years.[73]

The largest health effect of creosote is deaths caused by residential fires.[74]"

Hmmm. Not worth the risks, methinks.

Reply to
Eddy

Were you planning to put it in your drinking water?

Were you planning to paint yourself with it?

Planning to keep a little on your skin for a long time?

Planning to sit & sniff it for weeks at a time?

Quite clearly wrongly. You quote the reason why later.

And that is 1000x times as informative as the previous study, on another species using conditions quite different to real world human creosote use.

Yes, its flammable. So is white spirit, so are lots of things.

The only risk I see applying in your situation is flammability. Decent wood prservatives do tend to be flammable.

NT

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NT

It does whiff at first, but that soon fades away.

Perhaps youre right. I dont remember how long it takes for the wood to stop being oily.

Its the same old filth it always was. Now the good preservatives have been banned, its the one effective one left.

Reply to
NT

The decking would stink like an old goods siding all summer long, while users of it would have to be careful they don't rub against it.

Creosote is great stuff, in its place.

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grimly4

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