My two trust B&D 12V cordless drills are getting a bit long in the tooth and
don't have the bottle for really big jobs.
AIUI 18v drills have more 'oomph'. Is this true in all cases?
A 1 hour charger you can also leave on to keep the battery topped up would
A spare battery would be nice also :-)
There are some remarkably cheap 18v drills e.g.
but this doesn't seem to have a second battery and takes 3-5 hours to
[My B&Ds take 3 hours to charge with dire warnings about leaving them
charging for too long, and needing to run them down each time to avoid loss
An alternative would be a power (240v) drill/screwdriver which had a ratchet
torque setting - like the cordless drills which go 'bradadadadaada' like an
impact driver when you hit the torque setting.
My ancient B&D Quattro has a torque stall setting but this isn't as
effective or controllable and the drill tends to stop short or slam the
It also doesn't always work - I managed to smoke the drill when fitting M10
screws although it seems to have survived so far.
Given that it is a spending frenzy Bank Holiday weekend I thought I might
look for a new driver before I put in all the screw bolts on my metal roof.
These need to be just 'so tight' to avoid over compressing the rubber seal.
Do I have to go up to £90-£100 to get a decent drill/driver?
Well its generally true that an 18V will have more oomph than a 12V say.
However you will also probably find a decent 14V will trounce a cheap
and nasty 18V as a result of the difference in quality of battery.
30 or 15 min charger is even more useful! ;-)
and a couple of spare batts - one way to reduce battery life is to
charge a hot one. So when you finish once batt, you want to swap to the
next charged one, but leave the used one to cool for a bit before
charging - having a third helps here.
So can be ruled out then...
Torque settings and impact drivers are very different things - even if
they can sound slightly similar in action. A torque setting will "let
go" at a pre defined torque and any further attempt to drive will result
in the clicking of the torque limiter, but no real additional turning of
the screw going on.
An impact driver will reach the impact torque cut in point and switch to
angular impact mode - that then carries on driving the screw. There is
no torque limiter on an ID usually - so if you keep driving, that screw
will carry on turning until it goes right through and out the other
side, or something snaps!
Proper torque limiters are repeatable (at least on decent ones). However
for 2" screws and above, you can usually judge by hand easily enough.
This is on e of those cases where an impact driver is probably not the
best thing then, ans a drill driver with torques limiter would be better.
Yes. To get what you describe. Shame they are no longer on special at
(*only slight downside is relatively low capacity batts - but they are
decent enough quality to enable you to wring useful work out of them)
Thanks for the info.
Just to note that I wasn't trying to describe an impact driver, just the
noise a torque limiter made.
Which is what my B&D Quattro doesn't do, unfortunately.
Screwfix also has
which looks nice but is out of stock on the web site.
Any idea what the Site drill originally retailed at?
Screwfix doesn't give a 'before and after' price.
I recall a few people being less than totally impressed with them. For
(I think I got my 18V Makita not long after that, and its still going
Well at one point it was down to £49! Howver they did it it at about
£179 or something like that for a while. Until recently there was some
good deals to be had on similar spec 14.4V Makita packages - but I could
not see any of those this time.
Just turned up this morning :-)
I am now waiting for the first batery to charge so I can play with it.
One thing - there was a double ended screwdriver bit chucked in the case but
with no bit of plastic in the case to clip it to, and nowhere on the drill
to clip it.
Is this standard?
Instructions are refreshingly minimalist.
Ah, perhaps you have spotted a feature you need to get the blue Makita
for! (on mine there is a little clip at the base of the drill near where
the battery plugs in that will hold said bit during that brief period
between now and when you either lose it or break the ends off it! ;-)
Site drill has 30 minute charger (according to the instruction sheet).
Just goes to show that you can't trust the details posted by B&Q (or
Screwfix also states that it has 2 batteries (Specifications) and 3
batteries (summary at top) on the same page.
The charger seems to indicate it will charge anything from about 7V upwards.
It would be nice if there was an adaptor for my B&D 12V batteries :-)
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:22:33 +0100, David WE Roberts wrote:
Apart from those discrepancies, the Site has a 10mm chuck and says 13mm
somewhere on the page. That factor and the poor feel and look of the Site
caused me to chose the Makita at £80. Glad I did as it really is good.
Yup in general the Makita chargers will do NiCd and NiMh in any voltage
up to the maximum of the charger. I find an old richmond 9.6V pack for a
small drill driver fits nicely, which makes it far more useful than the
toy one that came with the drill. (quite a number of tools over the
years have copied the Makita layout since they have used the same form
factor and terminal layout for decades.
Cheap ebay battery to use as a pickup plug for the Mak charger, and the
existing B&D charger converted into a socket?
While we're on the subject, I do find the Makita chuck a bit annoying.
On my old Kress I can stick a 3mm drill bit in, hold the chuck and fast
forward gently on the trigger. Somehow the bit is always locked in the
central position. On the Mak I have to close the jaws to something just
slightly bigger than 3 mm and then tighten manually to get the bit
straight. I love it for the power but prefer the Kress for everything
Only thing my B&D drills have that this hasn't.
Lovely bit of kit, though - the speed control is the best I've come across
Still on my first battery as well :-)
I somehow can't see me using the hammer drill option though unless I am
totally unable to get my SDS drill near the job.
I don't recall ever using the hammer option on my B&D Firestorm either.
It is doing sterling work screwing the metal roof down.
Four panels done and hopefully the other four tomorrow.
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