Most folks would call it kindness and good will. Everyone has something they
can learn. Everyone also has someting they can offer, and will usually will
do so freely. If you're unwilling to do that, you clearly don't belong here,
Promoter of Linux or just some dopey signature? IMHO if you want
answers, don't send mixed messages.
As for giving free advice, I do it all the time in my profession, but,
if you come back wanting specific details that will take considerable
time, I won't do it without compensation.
I would hope evodawg is just trying to start a discussion.
As an apparent Linux user I think he knows why people some times
give away valuable things for free.
As for you, Mr Plonker, your comments are offensive.
Yes, I'm running Linux, plonk me too. Please.
Very interesting replies. Wondering why so many got so defensive? I was
merely asking a simple question that should have returned a simple answer.
I have given away many secrets and knowledge on this newsgroup and this is
the thanks I get. I should have expected this from some but not the
majority of posters. Attacks were uncalled for.
As far as linux goes, and that was not even brought up. I would rather use
an Operating System that actually works! I know for some pointing a
clicking at a picture works for them. I on the other hand would like to use
an OS that takes some intelligence and a thought process. I don't use Linux
because it's free, although that is a good selling point. HAHAHA I use it
because it works!!!!!!!!!!
Have a NICE DAY! I need to go to work now and get paid for my KNOWLEDGE!!!
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can\'t make them THINK"
Because you may some time need a info for yourself. I am a retired EE
but I never charged some one who is in need of my knowledge and
experinece. Life is to give and take. All my desktops and laptops in the
house are dual boot. Windows and Linux.
Of course it works. Linux is a knock-off of a 40-year old operating system
designed by a money-losing division of your local telephone company and
enhanced by those who believe that the DOS command-line interface was not
At 0.86% of the desktop market, it's got nowhere to go but up.
... as opposed to an OS that was a knock-off of a couple of other
operating systems of similar vintage, marketed using questionable
tactics into a position of dominance, with nothing really to recommend
it except it was cheap.
The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to
minimize spam. Our true address is of the form firstname.lastname@example.org.
You must be referring to Unix.
Several years ago I decided to give Linux a try, on a spare computer.
I found it frustrating to decide which of the hundreds of versions to
try. I finally just picked one, based on the fact they would send a
free CD in the mail, and it was supposed to be one of the easier ones
to use. I attempted to install it, got it 'sort of' installed, but I
found myself puzzled with many things. It was more or less an
operating system that would boot up, but did little more. I began
looking for software to make the thing functional, and soon found that
more often than not, I needed a different version, or no software
existed for a particular need.
Using my MS computer, I went to the linux newsgroups to ask questions.
That's where I found some of the rudest people I have ever met. Rather
than assist with the version I was using, most suggested another
version, and I would end up in the middle of flame wars. It was only
a matter of time before I said "this is bullshit", and gave up Linux
MS is far from perfect, but when I need help, I can go to their
website, and it clearly defines each version, and each one has clear
If Linux is as great as some people say, how come they have never come
up with a universal version. Why are there several hundred versions,
which are not compatible with each other, and above all, why are the
users so rude, particularly to newcomers? They seem to boast about
their OS, yet when it comes to someone new, they treat them like
If Linux has 0.86% of the desktop market, it's not likely to go much
higher considering the state of chaos it's in. There's just no
standards, and one needs to be a computer whiz to use the thing.
Maybe that's why this thread started. Linux users seem to be the
least likely to want to help anyone. At least when I have gone to a
Windows newsgroup, there are many people willing to help.
In those several years, there have been dozens of new releases.
Unlike Windows, it doesn't take 5 years for a new version to be released.
Because anyone is allowed to create a new version.
If you have special needs, go to distrowatch.com and find
the version that fits your needs.
Otherwise do what the majority are doing, try Ubuntu.
As far as them being incompatible with each other,
I can't say, but if you ask for help with the attitude that
Windows does X, why doesn't Linux, you're asking for it.
All the Linux Usenet groups I frequent are very helpful.
But it's Usenet, there's always someone that will be rude.
Same thing on the Microsoft newsgroups.
That is, in (for example) microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, you'll find
those same rude, pompous Linux users.
For every question or observation, their answer is: "You're an idiot for not
They don't tell you that you have to put a bone through your nose to make it
I've seen this before from you HeyBub and suspect that you possibly own some
In a past post here in this group, I brought up using a program
called "Units" by using a command prompt (DOS Prompt to Windows users) in
Linux to find how many teaspoons were in a pint to figure out how many
teaspoons of oil would have to be added to a pint of gas for a 50/1 mixture
for a weed eater question in this group.
The answer was 96 teaspoons are in a pint. The tank only holds about a pint,
so two heaping teaspoons of oil should be all that's required per tankful.
I thought this was a good response to the question at the time.
Your response was the same then, word for word attack on Linux.
But no help from you with the original posters question.
Now to address email@example.com.
I'm sorry to hear that.
When I built the first box from scratch I was determined that I would
install Linux and ordered three different distributions from a site that I
found on Google that carried cheap Linux Cd's. I read up using the old
windows box on the differences first, for a first time install.
You are correct that some of the earlier versions were hard and archaic to
install. Not able to understand why the different parts of the system were
on different partitions was just the start.
I turned to news groups also for the distro I was installing and found that
after I explained my problems were due to being a first time installer of
Linux and had to use a windows box to post. It was plain that I wasn't a
troll to the group. The distro was Red Hat and with some patient help they
walked me through the first install.
I don't use Red Hat any more because it is more of a business distribution
now. It was replaced with Fedora. I use Mandriva 2008 Powerpack, both a 32
bit version on an older box and a 64 bit version on the latest box build
Mandriva used to be known as Mandrake but there was copyright problems with
the name. So it was changed also.
I've installed many different distributions over the years and just built
two new 64 bit boxes for my wife and myself.
My wife wanted Windows and I purchased a version of Windows XP just this
month to install for her. She plays games on-line with other folks and the
games are ported to Windows. I refused to go with Vista after reading
reviews. I have XP that came on a laptop and dual boot all boxes and the
laptop so my wife can sit down and use any machine in the house.
I found that going to the group for the distro that I was installing offered
open help for that distro. I know that you are correct and many are rude
and the only response they offer is "Read the F**king Manual" and suspect
that *they* are short on information and want to be treated as elite
individuals that they are not.
Others will bend over backward to help. Like all groups this one included
that's just the way it is.
There are clear help files that come with each distribution just as there is
with Windows but in both cases the operating system must be functional
first to read the files. Go figure!
The "versions" that I refer to as "distro's" all work the same in the end
and each distro is a collection of different software. Some distro's use
different program installers but even the crudest and possibly the most
stable distro's software is installable on every other distro. You just
have to learn how. The software is backward compatible no matter which
distro you choose unlike many Windows programs with the introduction of
Vista and 64 bit computers.
Once you get used to using Linux it is not chaotic. I find it much better
organized than Windows and install Windows much the same as Linux is
I create a small C: partition and only install the operating system on that
partition and name it Windows. Nothing else is installed on this partition.
On linux this partition is called "root" and is designated only with a
forward slash i.e. "/" less the quotes. It is password protected by a
*unique* password that each person chooses when they install Linux. To
install any software you have to know this password. This is the "Kernel"
or core of any system.
This is the first point of security with Linux because to run a virus you
would have to include every possible password guess with a virus for it to
self propagate and spread. Only the administrator could install a virus on
his machine if he was foolish and ignored all the prompts that would pop up
urging not to install this program. Even then it can't spread unless all
program administrators were brain dead.
With Windows I create another partition and put all programs and their
installer folder in each program folder. I name this
partition "D:Programs". Ta-Da!
Linux knows this as "usr" by the way. It can be on the same partition or a
separate partition as root "/" .
I create another partition and put MY Documents and all personal files,
pictures, whatever I don't want lost if I have to reinstall Windows on this
partition. This I name, "E: My Information", partition.
Linux users know this as "Home". It isn't overwritten with a fresh install
when the 2009 version comes out. So my personal information stays intact
year after year.
"If" Windows were ever to crash and the only "possible" solution was to
reinstall the operating system "Windows". Then I only loose the information
and updates and the registry files that each installed program added to the
Linux users usually backtrack here and find what they broke and correct the
problem with help from others that have made the same mistake.
In this regard I believe Linux users are more receptive to fellow Linux
users and that is a shame. Much of the best help come from a few of the
best many times though in Linux groups.
I do buy the latest distro every year of Mandriva Powerpack and reinstall
the latest version so my system is only months old as opposed to XP's
years. Maybe Vista won't last very long and those that bought a computer
with Vista may get a newer system before it's years old like XP to replace
a system that reviews offer as plagued with problems.
To all the rest that read this group, Sorry for the rant.
I did mark it Off Topic though.
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