I have seen two basic types:
1. place water detectors near water heater, washer, etc.
2. monitor water flow into the house for unusual, constant flow.
I like the idea of the second type, as that would shut off the house water
if a toilet goes leaking. Here is this type that I have found:
I am not a shill for this company, but wonder if anyone has any experience
with it. It seems expensive ($1,500.00 if I recall). I have not found any
reviews on line, and wonder if it is reliable. I would want such a device
to just work for 25 years, no fuss, no muss. I don't want a lot of
Any competitors for design type #2?
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On Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:18:20 PM UTC-4, G. Morgan wrote:
I looked into the two different approaches a few years ago. I didn't
wind up doing anything. I currently have one of the $10 self-contained,
battery contact alarms located by the WH and furnace, protecting both.
Won't do any good if it's a sudden catastrophic failure or if no one
is around for long periods, etc. But if it's a more typical water heater
failure, starting with a slow leak, it will catch it. I've seen people
use similar by washing machines that are in the living space, etc.
Same problem though, it will alert if it's a slow leak, but isn't going
to stop a sudden massive hose burst when no one is home.
IDK anyone who has one of the intelligent types that looks for unusual
water flow. The big question I'd have there is how many false trips
do you get? For example, if you hook up a hose to water shrubs, or
hook it to an automatic sprinkler to water something, how does it know
that compared to a burst pipe, WH, etc? I would think you could get
enough false trips to make it annoying.
Has the OP looked on Amazon, if they sell any such devices there, where
he might find people's reviews? Or just google whatever the product is
and "review". It's also an issue of what exactly you have to protect
and what the cost is. I'd be skeptical that it's worth spending $1500
on for most people. And unless water is unusually expensive, I wouldn't
be worried about a running toilet. For the toilet, they have new
replacement valve assemblies that partially solve that problem. They
have an interlock, where once the tank fills, more water won't come
in unless it's flushed again. So, the slow leak from a flapper
results in an empty tank, no water loss, and you see it. It's no
good if the flapper gets stuck and fails to seat at all. In that
case, water will continue to run.
In my case, I have the WH in an unfinished basement. My main vulnerability
would be burst washer hoses. And if that's your main concern, they have
devices for a couple hundred bucks that electronically shut off the water
after each time the washer is used. Also they have the newer hoses
that are supposed to self-shutoff if the hose bursts. Don't know how
well they work. And for the WH, a WH pan under it that you may be
able to route somewhere would probably protect against the typical
failure, but probably not a total blow out. Just some alternate things
to consider that while not perfect, could reduce exposure significantly.
That is one question I would love to have answered by someone who has
installed one of the intelligent types (which monitors water flow through
the service pipe). For me personally, if I have to hit a button when I am
giving a tree a deep soak - I can handle that.
I was shocked at the price, not just for "is this solution worth the
expense?" but also "$1500 for this little doohickey that does not even
include installation?" I did not see much chatter on this or any reviews.
And unless water is unusually expensive, I wouldn't
A 2.5 day running toilet just resulted in an $800 higher bill. They have
punitive upper tiers on their water bills. Appeal/begging is in process.
For the toilet, they have new
That is great idea. Brand and model please. And "generic name" that I
might search/ask for. Thanks.
So, the slow leak from a flapper
Understood. But that you should catch by not leaving the house without
making sure the toilets are not running. Should. Hopefully.
I am in the habit of turning off the water when I go on vacation. Easy to
do, and it is on the check list. I will likely continue to do so even after
I replace my 60 year old galvanized pipes.
On Friday, March 28, 2014 10:34:52 AM UTC-4, Pico Rico wrote:
Good grief! What's the rate there for water? Here in NJ, I get 6,000
gallons a month for the minimum rate. After that it's $6 per thousand
gallons. Like yours, it can also go up from that. But I've never
gotten to the rates that are higher. I think the $6 rate covers maybe
the next 10,000 gallons.
Have you looked at the Watts Floodsafe line of connectors? It's a fixture
specific solution, not a whole house monitoring device.
Descriptions and videos here...
They have clothes washer hoses that do 2 for the washer only.
Abosolutely don't rely on rubber only hoses, because they will burst
eventually. Stainless steel clad at least, and if that is not enough
get what you have below ALSO or the special turn-off hoses.
The owners manuals of washing machines say to turn off the water when
not washing. Seems like the typical extra-caution junk, but it's not
extra. They mean it.
Maybe I should add that I went out one day, came back 2 hours later, and
the toilet in my powder room was spraying water all over the floor,
raining into the basement, and spreading to the hall floor too. It
had never shown any sign of trouble before, afainoticed. Glad I was
only gone two hours, and it probably didn't start right away.
I havent' taken any precautions against that happening again.
A slow leak from my flapper results in the tank being refilled and
leaking some more, constantly. .
In this case the leak was so slow I coudlnt' see the slightest ripple in
the bowl, but the leak could be faster.
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