The vega and the impala came out of the same factory too, and both
were chevies. Was the extra thousand or so for the impala a rip-off?
There ARE differences between the cheapest and the best water heater
of the same brand - and I bought mine, a GE (made by rheem) 3 years
ago. It has the brass drain valve, not plastic, and 2 anodes as well
as the turbulator tube - which the cheep ones did NOT have.
My last one, a 9 yr warrany GSW, lasted well over 20 years ( I
believe it was 24), compared to the contractor installed cheepy that
lasted something like 12 years.
I NEVER buy the cheepest of anything that matters, and seldom the most
expensive. It's called buying for VALUE, not price.
Current cost is $494 at my local Home Despot, plus tax = $558
including HST here in Ontario. So I wasn't very far off saying $600.
The warranty is 50% longer, for a difference in price of $92 - or less
than 25% - and it DOES have the brass valve, double anodes, and the
turbulator tube. It is also 40,000 BTU compared to the cheap one at
36000 for faster recovery.
I'd say I got value for my $92. You don't think so? That's YOUR
problem, not mine.
But the average plumber, and most DIY installers, cheap out and
thread the connector to the water heater with pipe soldered to the
connector, then solder that pipe right to the water pipes in the
house. Saves them 2 unions at something like $10 each, and saves them
2 solder joints.
Didn't say they did. But they don't have unions on them either.
Different brand of water heater - and 24 years later. New one has
different gas valve and piezo ignitor, about 15 degrees of rotation
from the original in reference to the water pipe connections. About 6
inches difference in height too if memory serves me correctly - and
different diameter - so EVERYTHING had to be modified. No problem - I
had it changed in just over an hour - this wasn't my first prom!!!
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:48:37 PM UTC-4, email@example.com wrote:
Everybody here, even Homelessguy knows you were talking about
the water connections.
I don't do it to save the unions, the cost of the unions, etc.
I do it because it's faster, easier and less likely to leak.
Unions are just another spot that can leak and don't really offer
much. I avoid them unless they are really necessary and for the
typical WH, they aren't. To get the old one out, you just run the
pipe cutter around the pipe. Get the new one in, use a copper repair
coupling, solder it up. Quick, easy, nothing to leak.
Homelessguy is clueless. He somehow thinks that only he knows
that WHs have threaded fittings and that fact that they do means they
can just go in, no solder, no unions, no other special fittings.
Just screw the WH right into the rest of the plumbing.... go figure.
Exactly. Most times it can be a drop in where everything works out.
But sometimes it's not. It's a big leap to make assumptions without
knowing what the OP has. Or as I said before, how about if he has
a soldered in old shutoff valve that should be replaced? If you have
the skills and the tools, it's easy, but if you don't, another example of
things you can run into. And if you don't have the skills and screw
it up, flood the house, blow it up, is it worth it? Is Homelessguy
going to pay to make it right?
Thread on a fitting and solder it up - for the water. Instead of
using unions like a smart guy would. As for the gas piping, lots of
guys work back from the water heater so the union is up ar ceiling
hieght - makes it a bugger to make minor changes. My union is about 8
inches from the gas valve.
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:38:17 PM UTC-4, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
You could make the first water connection by turning the WH round
and round. :) The second one, IDK. And if he's talking about using
a compression type fitting, you'd think he would have said so by now.
The water heater got replaced today. I watched what the guy did and am
glad I didn't attempt it myself. I'm not a klutz with tools and can
fix things, especially electronics or electrical things. I can build
computers and make them work.
After turning off the water to the house and draining the thing, the
two copper water lines at the top had to be cut off even though they
were threaded into the water heater. The gas line was a different pipe
of course, and that got unscrewed. The replacement water heater that
came was a Ruud 50 gallon tall one which was not what we had ordered.
The guy had to go get the 40 gallon version and come back later.
After taking out the old one and putting in the new one, he screwed in
some pre-made copper extensions onto the water lines of the heater
then he had to cut back some of the existing pipe to make everything
match up. More couplings came out to make the proper connections and
he then soldered them all together. Of course he had the torch, flux,
solder, and some sort of pipe dope for the gas fittings that I didn't
have. He also had to resize the gas pipe extensions and reseal all
that a couple of times because of the gas leaking. He also bled the
relief valve to let the air out of the tank -- something I would not
have known to do.
Considering all the tools I didn't have, no truck to transport these
water heaters, no curbside pickup in my town, a family that can't be
without water while I try to figure out what I've done wrong, going
back and forth to the hardware store several times, I think it was best
to pay the professional to do the job.
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:56:29 PM UTC-4, badgolferman wrote:
Good for you and thanks for being so observant. I especially like the
part about the plumber having to redo the gas line to put it in. Exactly
what many of us here were saying, that it's not always just a straight
drop in replacement like the village idiot claims it is.
I have done all this and that in my younger days and I think I earned it
to relax and take it easy, let some others do it for me(they do it to
make a living) If I do every thing myself they will starve, LOL! Now I
just make sure things are done proper. Is that village idiot da real man?
I'm glad I learned from my dad to be electrically and mechanically
inclined. I've rebuilt Chrysler Slant/6 and 318 engines, done body work
and welding, designed and built a speech synthesizer board for my IBM PC
back in 1983 - all of that while I was still in high school.
Naturally I've done much more since then. It's hard for me to relate to
men that can't do simply plumbing I guess...
On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:11:04 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:
An example from last month:
The fire broke out just after 10 p.m. Saturday
He said the family had replaced the water heater Saturday.
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