In my case they would be SOL, there is nothing GFCI near the HVAC equipment. It is 2 bedrooms on that end of the house. There is no window in the closest bathroom, no basement and the garage is ~100' away as the cord flies. Fortunately I have no shortage of outside GFCI protected receptacles, including one run when the wiring was put in for the condenser. It also feeds my computer room tho. (used to be a bedroom)
Safety doesn't matter to you I guess. OK by me. It is just a strange position for a bleeding heart liberal who thinks there is nothing we should not do if it saves a single life. (or the 400-500 that die from electrocution each year and the
30,000 that get treated for electrical related injuries).
Hey, I thought "bleeding heart liberals" did everything the NEC told them to do. That would be you.
I am not talking about every stupid thing they put in the NEC but the GFCI is probably the biggest safety advance in 40 years. You have to be pretty silly not to use it.
ROFL
That's what I immediately thought too. If I didn't already have GFCI in the wet locations, garage and outdoors, I would add it. Cheap, easy and could be a lifesaver. Yet the leading lib that's all for all kinds of regulation of everything, doesn't care in his own house.
Again, how do you get that I think anyone involved in NEC is full of shit? And again, I was the first one here to bring up the issue of cords out windows potentially not being GFCI, so IDK why you keep harping about that. And again, what I actually said was that if the code folks are concerned about the rare times an HVAC guy will show up and need power to run a pump outside, then they should change the code to cover the very common outdoor needs that occur at most homes very frequently, not just an AC pump need, maybe once every ten or twenty years. Things like electric leaf blowers, power washers, mowers, chain saws, trimmers, paint sprayers, Xmas lights. Why just the AC? To address the general problem the code should require outdoor receptacles that are accessible within 25 ft of any point on the perimeter. I wouldn't think that would be controversial, but here we are.
Don't they make drop cords that have a GFCI in them ,or boxes that you can buy to do the same thing ?
Yep.
Write a proposal but I would suggest 50' is a more realistic number but try 25 if you like. See what they say. You could get your 15 minutes of fame if it is adopted. I used to write at least one proposal per cycle to get my free hard copy ROP but I believe now that it is on line they don't mail the hard copy anymore. BTW I did get one "accepted in principle" when they rewrote the rules on clothes closet lighting to take into account LEDs.
Yes, in fact a lot of guys carry them because they test them and know they work.
The 2 windows next to my HVAC unit are bedrooms (outlets inside but no GFCI). The outdoor outlet is 28 feet away.
Are you talking every house should be retrofitted immediately, or as the opportunity arises (say, other outdoor electrical work is being done), or just for new construction?
I'd sure hate to have to drill through the split-fieldstone veneer over concrete block that comes down to the ground on three sides of my house.
Stick-built houses are really much easier to work with. Every time we need to make a penetration we rent a diamond-bit core drill.
Cindy Hamilton
For what? I have no outside receptacles, no kitchen receptacles close to water and don't use the bathroom outlet. Tell you what; if I get an electric toothbrush or a new kitchen I'll put in dual function breakers for needed circuits. Until then, if a contractor wants GFCI protection, he'll have to bring it with him.
Typically code changes get implemented when the scope of work for renovations affects the area where the new code would apply. In the case of the HVAC outlet, generally it only gets installed if this is a new install of a condenser and they are running wire out there anyway. I have never heard of requiring an outside outlet unless this is an addition where roughing a wire through the new wall is trivial. A lot depends on the contractor in new construction and whether they really give a shit about convenience for the owner or if they are cutting every corner they can to save a buck. I looked at a spreadsheet from 2010 (when my wife stopped building houses) and the contract price for a GFCI outside receptacle had the incremental cost of $30. In inside GFCI receptacle was $25. (although it got negotiated down to $3 less per)
Whatever rationalizations work for you. It is just strange that you want to ban assault rifles when more people get electrocuted every year than get killed by rifles, all types assault or otherwise yet you won't use the most basic electrical safety product.
Huh? You're nuts. I don't recall reading of any homeowner electrocutions in ages. Keep in mind I don't chew on wires. I suppose next you'll want OSHA inspectors in my house. No thanks. BTW, I have all electrical work done by licensed professionals. I don't touch the stuff. As far as assault weapons, there no sense arguing with a gun nut.
Most homeowners live in houses with GFCIs in places where they are needed and the people who live in substandard ghetto housing that is not up to code don't make the news when they are killed.
You have licensed electricians who have never suggested you put in GFCIs?
You are lying or you have hacks in Georgia.
I had my fuse box replaced with a breaker box along with the inspection of my aluminum wiring for insurance purposes - and to pass the inspection FOR THE PANEL - not the wiring condition, I had to install GFCI devices.
Replaced all devices with CoALR and where that was not possible pigtailed with copper using Marrette ACS wirenuts - the only wirenuts approved for that purpose in Ontario (No, the Ideal Purple ones are NOT approved according to my inspector) - I used stranded wire for the pigtails to reduce stress on the joints when installing the devices in the boxes. The electrician that did the job didn't know the inspection would require the GFCI units to be installed. The inspector gave me a free permit retroactively for the CoALR and pigtail retrofits which technically require a licenced electrician (ANY device replacement - even just changing a lamp or switch- requires a licenced electrician when Aluminum wiring is involved) He passed my work with no defects.
I wonder how many people < besides me >
were not aware of this ! Thanks. I've always warned people that I know - who have aluminum wiring - to never ignore any problematic fixtures - and get a pro for the repairs - for safety more than legal reasons. John T.
He also says he has no outside receptacles, maybe he lives in an apartment. But otherwise just because the receptacles are not outside doesn't mean there isn't outdoor usage of electricity, via extension cords for all the typical uses. You could protect that with a GFCI cord, but I'm sure he's not going to buy one of those either. It is another glaring lib hypocrisy. They tell everyone else how to live, impose crazy ideas, like banning bags and taxing soft drinks, but eschew very logical, inexpensive safety devices that have been around for forty years and work.
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