On a more basic note, I found my cordless 14.4 Craftsman drill to work
well, but the batteries were dead within a few years, and replacements were
almost as expensive as a new drill. In retrospect the corded option was
better for me:
Always ready, never lacking power or charge, and no big bill a year later
for new batteries. Unless you use your cordless equipment regularly, the
batteries die long before the tool dies. ( I did remember to discharge
completely to try and avoid 'memory'). Be sure to check out how much the
replacement batteries cost, as I made a big mistake on Craftsman, with their
overpriced batteries. My corded drills still work fine, and my crapsman
cordless sits gathering dust.
That's because yer havin' fun...and yer just not used to it!! lol
Not necessarily. You use what you've got...then replace or upgrade
when necessary. But you ALSO try to plan ahead...and put some of your
personal logic into your purchase.
If you know yer gonna finish yer basement soon, you don't buy a 9.6
drill...if you plan on usin' that drill for the basement job, too.
You may want to get something heftier...and maybe hammer drill
Oh...and here's where the prejudice part comes in...
I just bought a 1/2" 2-gear speed, VSR, hammer drill 18v. I think I
paid $26.99...or $29...I forget. What's the first thing you think off
when you hear that price?...with those features? See?!! lol
With the way current technology is changin', don't spend too much
money on something that you think is gonna last forever. The FEATURES
won't last forever! How many contractors do you see usin' a drill on
the job that has a keyed chuck?
But...again as I think I hinted at before...I wouldn't buy a tool that
is too expensive and overkill for the job at hand. If I buy a drill
that costs hundreds of dollars and will generate $100,000 in
sales...its money well spent.
Many of the 'cheap' tools have gained in popularity because they were
kept around in case the 'name brand' tool failed. And failed they
did. They ALL do eventually...I don't care WHAT the quality is.
So the 'cheap' tool got used while the good one was being repaired.
Low and behold...the cheap tool was still working when the good one
came back. So they kept on usin' the cheap tool.
Common sense...and pocket book...will prevail in most cases. When I
bought my first cordless drill, I didn't realize how important a
2-speed gear box is. So now, that's the first thing that I look for.
Cost per billable hour. Or cost per home project(s) hour.
If I'm gonna use a drill for 2 hours total in 10 years, most drills
will last for 2 hours of total run time. So the cheaper tool is the
Yer welcome. There's been a lot of good feedback for you here.
Have a nice one...
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Chicago Electrical is great. I have a couple of their tools, and they do as
good a job as my Makita's, plus I don't have to worry about dammaging them or
losing them, because I can replace them very easily. I do, however, get the
rolling of the eyes when friends see me using a very non-distinct loking tool,
while their DeWalt driver is clearly marked "DeWalt". I don't care <smile>.
On 28 Oct 2004 12:59:47 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (GeoCrunch21) wrote:
DeWalt is the old Black&Decker commercial line. Good stuff. So was
the Black&Decker commercial line. The Black&Decker comsumer line
lost it's good name due to being associated with irons, coffee pots,
etc. Black&Decker bought out DeWalt for the name. DeWalt used to
make the best radial arm saw, if you find an old one, you probably
ought to buy it. I have a Black&Decker commercial right-angle drill
thats great, just like the DeWalt except it's not yellow. Ridgid is
the old Craftsman tool line. Not much to do with Ridge Tool Co., its
actually made by Emerson, the same people who make Insinkerator,
except that they bought the company to have a recognized name. Ridge
still makes very good plumbing equipment, the power tools are
generally questionable, just as the Craftsman tools were. I wouldn't
buy anything from Sears that had a motor on it. Just MHO. Sears
sells good underwear and socks, though.
This is Turtle.
Look the tools that you have and look at the age and how well they held up. Pick
the name of the tools you have that you think held up the best and use that
brand. I use to use nothing but the high dollar stuff in my HVAC business but
I've come to the conclusion that B & D and Skill run just like the other if you
really take care of them. Now I do still use the Porter Cable recept saw for
they seem to hold up the best.
Actually, everything I have is B&D. They were very popular for the home
owner/amateur fixer-upper 25 yrs ago ;-) You are the first person to say
thet even the cheaper brands will do well if you take good care of them.
So, may be I should ust replace the failing tools with the same brand.
Hmm... not a bad idea.
That seems to be the trend, in general... I've actually gotten lots of
interesting responses, in this newsgroup, which is great. Based on what I've
seen so far, I think I'm better off spending a bit more and getting
makita(s) or equivalent.
This is Turtle.
Yes it is always better to have better tools to use and last longer but one
thing that I will have every 2 or 3 years and you will have the same old one
running and beat up, cord broken, and look like hell. I will have bright shinny
new tools every 2 or 3 years and you will have the same old one's that your
friends may talk about you having that old stuff and should have new ones. The
reason i say this is I have a old Millwalkee recept saw that is about 20 years
old and looks like hell and has not a bit of paint on it but runs good. My crew
laugh at it everytime i pull it out to cut something with it. Also I have had to
replace the Cord on it 3 times in 20 years.
This is Turtle.
I use these tools in my HVAC business and I give them hell and they seem to do
---Corded Drill 3/8" B & D .
---Cordless drill 18 volt B & D but use to use Porter Cable & DeWalt but they
cost more and I get the same time frame out of the B & D.
---circle saw 7.5" Corded Skill.
---Recept saw Porter cable corded is good but Milwakee sure is nice.
---Jig Saw B & D .
These are the ones i see that will last me for 2 to 3 years but I can buy the
high dollar stuff and go maybe 3 or 4 years. The price of the high dollar stuff
it just too great to pay when I get very little time difference out of the ones
This is some ideal for heavy use and very abusive to them when working with
IMHO it all depends on what you are using the tools for. If you are a
carpenter and build houses you have very different needs than if you a
weekend hack (like myself) who uses the tools occasionally.
Being a weekend hack, and at the risk of offending the hardcores on
this board, I love cordless tools. I literally found a Dewalt
cordless drill 14.4v in the road about 7 years ago, bought a charger,
and have used it ever since. (felt bad for the poor chump who lost
it, put a sign up on a telephone pole near where I found it saying
"Tool Found and my phone # but no one ever called.) It is all a
matter of how much you plan to use them. I am starting to lust over
those matched sets at Home Depot, where you have a bunch of cordless
tools and they are all using the same batteries, I can see how that
would be nice.
Save the flames, I know I have revealed myself as a pretender by the
fact that I recomend: 1) cordless Tools 2) buying tools at Home Depot;
but it makes a lot of sense if you are like me, and only get to use
them occasionally for minor projects around the house, why buy an
Hummer H2 if I only drive around on city roads, sure it would look
cool, and I'd feel manly behind the wheel, but when I commute 60 miles
a day on city roads, it makes a lot more sense to get a Honda Accord.
Nothing wrong with Home Depot, but the matched sets they have, range from
the very inexpensive Ryobi to more expensive brands. Based on the
information I've gotten here, though, it appears that if one is going to be
using the tools, more than a couple of times a year, then spending a bit
more and getting a makita, or some similar brand, is a wise choice.
That will work for some, but some brands have gone the high volume, low
quality route in recent years. B & D, Craftsman, are not the same as their
reputation from a quarter century ago. .
One of the woodworking magazines showed the difference between two brands,
Skil and Bosch, that are made by the same company. The bearings in the
Bosch were about twice the size of the cheaper one. The comutator on the
mot has twice the segments. For the guy that uses a router twice a year, it
may be OK, but it is not going to hold up and remain accurate for the
heavier user or for more critical applications.
Even if you're meticulously careful, you're eventually going to drop a
cordless drill from the top of a stepladder. You're also eventually
going to be in a position of pushing a tool slightly beyond what it's
designed to handle, because you misjudged what you'd need when you left
the shop, or whatever. I'd much rather drop or heat up a heavy duty tool.
Now you use your tools for a living and I almost never get paid to use
mine, but I still think you've been really lucky if you really are using
orange B&D and Skil tools satisfactorily in a contractor capacity. You
are BEGGING for that stuff to lay down on you at exactly the wrong time.
I have the Porter-Cable recip with two articulation points--can't
remember the cutesy marketing name for it--and I love it. You can get
in anywhere with that thing.
Bo Williams - email@example.com
Tool advice from this gearhead:
Educate yourself as to what it is you need. Shop price so you know what any
particular tool sells for.
THEN buy the best you can afford, but if you know what you need and what
they usually cost, you can always get a deal, second hand, etc.
Buy with the anticipation of what you will need a year from now. Lots of
times, when you get to working with the tools, you will discover that the
light duty smaller tools won't cut it once you really start to apply them.
Then you will have to buy bigger and better, and will have to take a beating
$$ wise on the tools unless you picked them up at a good price.
Lastly, a guy can't have too many tools.
MHO from my experiences.
Harry - Might I suggest a slightly different approach.
Buy tools as you need them. When you need them buy the best quality you can
afford while considering the cost and actual likely use. Pneumatic is good.
Milwaukee, Makita are good. Cordless are good, corded are good. There are
too many options. If you post over on rec.woodworking at least one person
will ask you for the what do you need the tool for. The responses wont be
I'll give you an example. I am building a small shaker style end table. One
drawer, 18"x19" top and delicate tapered legs. There is this particular tool
that will be helpful in this endeavor and I will invest in it. For project
this its just a scraper, under $10, but I haven't needed one to date. I also
need a particular router bit with a profile I do not have.
You get the point.
If you MUST go and get an assortment of power tools I would consider the
Milwaukee 18v combo kit.
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