In our basement shower, several tiles fell off. Behind them is
drywall. The tiles are not broken and I would prefer to just glue them
back in if possible. What glue and process would you recommend.
You have two ways to approach this. The first involves putting a
bandaid on the cut artery - that is treating the symptom by glueing the
fallen tile back in place. Bandaids are cheap, fast and the shower is
still going to die. It'll be a slow death with the fallen tile problem
recurring and you trying to nurse it back to health. it won't work for
long. Looking on the bright side, you will have found a new hobby.
The other alternative is to fix the hack job the original installer
did. Putting tile on drywall in a wet location is not only
recommended, but to be avoided at all costs. Cement backer board such
as Durock, Wonderboard, fiber cement board such as Hardie Backerboard
or one of the newer boards such as Wediboard are the preferred
You see the tile job can be no better than the weakest link. Drywall
turns to mush when exposed to water. Some idjits think that the
moisture resistant drywall, called green board, is water resistant or
even waterproof. It's not by a long shot.
Of course you don't want to replace the entire wall(s), but there
really is no other choice. The worst thing you could do is to glue the
tile back using silicone and do a good job of it. Sounds odd, but what
will happen is the water will get behind the tile from another area
that you didn't fix and the silicone will hold the tile in place longer
than it should. You _want_ to know if there is damage (rot) occuring
behind the tile. Otherwise you'll be looking at replacing studs,
subfloor, etc. - a much, much bigger pain in the ass.
Check out the John Bridge tile forums and search the archives to see
what the pro tile setters have to say about putting tile on drywall.
Half of them love it when the hacks do that because it's job security
for them. The other half would shoot the hack if they could locate him
and get away with it. I'm in the latter camp. Too many people doing
crappy work and it's time to start weeding them out! ;)
There has to be a reason for the tiles to fall off. I know gravity is
one of them but if they were installed correctly in the first place,
they would not move. Check to see if there is water leak, excessive
vibration etc.. Is the drywall damaged in any way? If not go ahead
with the silicone adhesive. If you drywall is damaged, replace it and
use good adhesive.
Basement shower, huh? How much is it used?
You have two choices -- use a silicon adhesive to put the tile back
into place. This will defer the problem and that may be all you
Or ... as Rico has urged .... do the job properly.
Shower tile does not go on greenboard or on drywall. It goes on
denShield or equivalent. If your shower indeed is tile over drywall,
I'd consider tearing it out and starting over.
Think of your fallen tile as the "first shoe to fall".
Well,let me ask you: if, say, I use proper adhesive and some sort of
sealant overall, how long would this repair last?
That's true. I hate doing these sort of jobs (redoing the shower). I
have two kids and the older is very disruptive to doing any sort of
continuous work because a) he only wants to play with me and b) he
always wants to help, which means that I have to watch him not to fall
on stuff and not to glue himself to the wall etc. come up with stuff
for him to do so that he thinks he is helping, and yet does not ruin
anything, etc. 4.5 years old.
I can sympathize ... I have a grand daughter about that age. The
wheels never stop turning.
It's not a particular hard or messy job .... it really means two
days of getting at it ... and a third of finishing up. (That said,
I have a bathroom in our cabin that's been waiting for tile for nearly
a year and a half. I'll procrastinate as soon as I get around to it.
But busted tiles are sharp and drywall edges can hurt small (and
Maybe get a baby sitter? Wait till the kid is at nursery school?
Use the tile site Rico recommended, it's a good one.
I am a single mother who raised my son alone from birth. Even in my case, there
are naptimes; there are after-bedtimes. Even if there aren't neighbors or
relatives willing to take on the child for a day or so. I'm fairly sure you
mentioned a spouse? If so, surely you two can tag-team.
I understand about not being able to do certain things at all with a small child
underfoot. But I can't believe that the small child has to be *always*
Banty, the reality is, him playing with mom does not work out. I do
not want to get into details. He goes to bed relatively late (and I
have to wake up early) so there is not terribly much time during
evenings, for this sort of thing. I am not whining, I would be able to
do it, at a relatively high personal cost.
You must have a quiet child. If you have a child that is very active you
can't do ANYTHING. Always getting into everything they have to be watched
all the time. You never know what ideas they will dream up. Mine never
took naps. Put her in the crib with the sides pulled up and she climbed
out. Go,go,go all day and most of the night. If you have a normal kid you
just don't know about these active types.
Oh PULEESE yourself. This is just excusifying.
There's a whole LIST of things that aren't happening to for him to be so
limited. I think the OP has painted himself into a corner on this somehow. For
instance, how is it he has a babysitter but that's "not helpful". "Not helpful"
how?? How is it his spouse is so useless in this regard? Although I'm sure
you'll insist he's in some tiny percentage with an active child AND a useless
spouse AND no friends AND no neighbors they know AND no relatives nearby AND no
vacation time AND a "non-helpful" babysitter.
If it's all such a problem, he can hire someone.
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