Or like the time i hit black ice on the road along the Conestoga
River with the 69 dart. I was just poking along and I thought it felt
like I had a slack tire. I got out and promptly sat on my ass on the
pavement. I couldn't stand on it - yet I could drive on it - and that
was without studs.
On Nov 24, 5:40 pm, email@example.com wrote:
Same here. Came out of Boise ID back in the late 50s doing 65 on a 4-
lane. Stopped with no problem out in the country to "releive the main
vein" and went flat on my back. There was no clue that black ice had
developed. Slowed WAY down after that.
Wow you guys don't know how to easily recognize it? No need to risk
your life getting out of the car. You know it is there when you are
suddenly going 50 mph backwards in the other lane. Slow rotation, but
no loss of speed. Came to a gentle stop against a snow bank. All I
had to do was turn around, change my underwear, and proceed much
At night it's easy to tell when you've hit black ice, even before the
front end points backwards. It's called "black ice" for a reason. You
can't see it because there is no back-scatter from the headlights.
When we lived in Vermont, I'd hit it occasionally. I usually found
the shoulder (where the sand and other debris accumulates) before
things got out of control but once in NY, I did the multiple 360s
trick before I found the shoulder. I *didn't* see that one coming
(though I should have). No paint lost, though.
Then there was the time I had to deliver/install about 20 CD Rom
servers to libraries across eastern/northern Ontario in late November
- rented cube-van, and away I went.Heading out the 401 eastboud around
Kingston or Belleville I noticed vehicles starting to go "slideways".
I was only doing about 85Kph, but when I lifted my foot to slow down.,
I felt the big van start to go too - popped it into neutral, foot off
the brake, and right down the first ramp to the first Motel I could
find. Then coming back around Bancroft a couple days later - with no
load left in the truck and a pretty good snow going, I came down a
hill and I felt it getting loose again - was getting dark, and there
was a "motel" sign up the hill to the right. I just let the van into
the turnoff lane and called it a night.
On Nov 25, 5:24 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Reminds me of the time I got caught in a "Norther" in north Texas.
Conditions got so bad I couldn't see to een turn around and go back to
where I had spent the night. Slow, very careful driving got me into
Amarillo where I hit a red light, steped on brake gently and went
through light backwards. First Motel got my business.
The problem is that if one _does_ slow down to a reasonable speed they
will be way slower than everybodyi else.
Very few people have any concept at all of driving on slick, snow or
ice and especially in fog. They do not slow down enough and never
allow enough space. Even on dry pavement the spacing is about 1-2
seconds between cars in the "parades" and they don't increase it if
they do slow down.
Around here if they don't "get a concept" pretty quickly they are
not driving very long - we get enough slick, icy, snowy roads and fog
in the average winter to take a fair number off the road within the
first few weeks of winter.
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:35:28 -0500, email@example.com wrote:
A few years ago I was on my way to work and saw flashing lights ahead.
Turned out to be a woman off the road. Fortunately, it was just grass
and easily towed out. Going home that night, I aw her again. . . off
Some people should just stay home when it snows.
Getting well off the road, and turning off your lights so other drivers
do not follow your tail lights thinking that's where the road is would
Total nonsense, may have been correct in the days of the Model T, but
certainly not for any modern auto.
More nonsense. Following distance needs to account for your reaction
time and the potential delta between your braking distance and that of
the vehicle in front of you. This does not need to take speed into
account since speed affects both your vehicle and the one in front of
you. If you are in a big truck and following a small car you need more
following distance since the vehicle you are following can stop in a
shorter distance than you can. Conversely if you are in a small car
following a large truck you need less following distance since you can
stop in a shorter distance than the vehicle you are following.
Then you are causing a hazard and need to get off the road. If you
cannot drive at the minimum speed limit for the road (45 for most
highways) it's time to get off the road entirely.
This has nothing to do with Texas, the same sudden fog accidents happen
regularly in other states as well.
Minimum speed limits are typically posted on major highways, usually
they're 20 mph below the upper limit. In pretty much every state if you
are traveling below 25mph (your heavy fog comment) you are legally
required to have a slow vehicle triangular reflective sign on your
vehicle (parades exempt).
Before calling "nonsense" perhaps you should review some of the
student driver course matieal.
That _is_ what was taught. It has now been replaced by "3 seconds"
and recommenteded is 4. At least one can quickly check the spacing
and doesn't need to estimate "what is a car lenght and hwo many are
between me and next guy".
Kinda pointless though as hardly anyone allows more than about 1 - 1 .
5 sec. That
is the cause of all the multi car rear-enders. Those spaces should be
increased greatly in foggy conditions.
This does not need to take speed into
So somehow 1 car length per 10 mph is ignoring the speed factor? In
The 3 second (or 4) takes that into account.
No shit Dick Tracy. Got any more words of wisdom that are already
known by everybody?
Brilliant!! Minimum is posted say 45, fog conditions make that too
fast but one is not allowed to slow down!! Wow!!
Agree, it also has zippo to do with that 85 mph speed limit. The
accident didn't happen on that stretch of highway - not even close to
Holy Shit!! Do you care to rethink that asinine bit?? Ask any cop
about it and
prepare to be arrest ed for idiocy. That is for regular traffic, not
for bad conditions.
Actually you can get a ticket for 'too fast for conditions even at 25
I haven't seen a minimuim posted on any US or interstate highway out
in this region.
Did see a few back when back East.
You are mostly headed in the right direction - but following a big
truck too closely, and not being able to see what is ahead of the
truck can give you a LOT of hurt if something happens that causes the
trucker to try too hard to stop, and he ends up jack-knifed or
otherwize crosswize across the road.
I don't think you drive in really adverse conditions very often.
Minimum speed is ALSO for specific conditions.
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