My wife really wants new tile in our master bathroom. I told her that I
would install the tile myself so we can save the money (We just got
married almost a year ago so I'm trying to prove myself in the "home
improvement dept."). The only problem is that I have absolutely no
experience installing tile.
Do you think it's possible for me to get the job done well even though I've
never done this type of job before? If so, what are the most important
things I need to know going into this job, and what tools will I need.
Thanks for thoughts!
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I would recommend grabbing a one of those "how to tile" booklets at your
local Home Depot. You can also check out http://www.diy.com they usually
have good tutorials.
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Is there tile in there already? I'm not a fan of tile over tile due to
the changes in thickness that arise. Is there vinyl sheet floor? You
most likely will want to rip that out too. Just something to think about.
I think anyone can do a tile job although I have never been one to shy
away from almost any job. There are good books and videos on how to do
tile. Pick one up and see whats involved. Watch the shows (Hometime or
others). You will get some ideas.
Use a tile saw for cuts. The $88 one at lowes is fine for small tiles
and a small job. Plan your job around the capabilities of the saw. If
your layout requires diagonal cuts on 16" tiles then you are not going
to be able to do that with the cheap saw.
lets see - Other tools you will need.
1- notched trowel <$10 Get one for the tile you use. bigger tile bigger notch
2 - Sponge
3 - bucket
4 - electric screw gun (drill) You will likely need a backer board for
the tile. This is installed with screws and a driver typically.
5 - Wrench - You will need to temporarily remove the toilet. The wrench
is to remove the bolts and disconnect the water supply.
There are probably a few more - Again, get a book. Also, HomeCheapo or
that Blue store will also have classes from time to time. (Don't tell
your wife you are going to a class like that though, you should already
know how to do it <grin>)
Post back if you have specific questions along the way.
You seem experienced with this so I have a question. I plan on tackling my
bathroom floors as well. They both have original 1975 tile I refer to as
Chicklet - those tiny little 1" x 1" (or smaller) tiles. What's the best tool to
use to remove them? *Hoping it's not a chisel*.
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I believe a demolition hammer (power tool such as:
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would do the job nicely.
I used a hammer and chisel on my floor which was tile in a 3 inch
mortar bed. Slow and tedious. Also pop the nails heads on the ceiling
below. I removed both the tile and mortor.
If the floor is in good shape and level, I would seriously consider
tiling over it. If you remove the current floor, there is no guarantee
that the sub-floor is level (mine wasn't). You wil also need to lay
down CBU and possible plywood to gain stiffness and height assuming the
tile was set in a mortor bed. In my second bathroom. I tiled over it
and raise my door saddle 1/2". Turn out nice and level without the work
and resulting tile to dispose of. Just use a high quality thinest.
Also go to www.johnbridge.com which has a great forum for tile work.
Like the other response said - The tile may be in a mortar bed. I just
finished knocking one of these out. A masons chisel makes short work of
it. you will then need to make sure the top of the joists are level, or
at least flat, install 3/4 ply and backer board then tile. If the added
height is OK and the old tile is sound, you can tile over it. I didn't
have sound old tile and the added height would have been too much plus I
could repair and upgrade some of the plumbing under the floor. I am also
replacing the tub. It would have been impossible to get out w/o
disturbing the floor as well.
Our local home depot has free hands-on weekend classes to learn to DIY.
Check with yours and see when (if?) they're doing a tile workshop. That's
what I would do. Although only you know your wife, I would suggest,
contrary to the other suggestions you have received, that you see if she
wants to take the class with you, and you can both learn at the same time.
DH and I have a great time doing things like this.
My hubby provides the muscle and the big power tools, and I nag about
how it looks and the detail work. Between the two of us, we do pretty
well. I would get a good tile book, visit a tile store and get some
brochures. Read labels or install instructions (usually available on
the 'net) before you begin. Figure out the difference between mastic
and grout :o) My main concern would be odd features, like tiling around
pipes, and what is under the present flooring.
We contemplated DIY, and hubby's drunk buddy offered to help, at which
point I threatened divorce and suicide :o) NO WAY his know-it-all fool
friend was going to ruin my floor :o)
We took up the old carpet prior to ordering the tile, so we would be
sure there were no cracks in our slab that might be a problem with tile.
It meant bare floors for a while, delayed further because the tile was
imported and ordered just before 9/11. Our contractor was superb, and
took care of a couple of issues that we would not have figured out.
They also had a sub who uncercut the baseboards and door trim so the
tile goes under it, not up against. It turned out beautiful and looks
"original". Another issue would be to be sure you use a floor tile;
sort of basic, but wall tile on floors may be a hazard. Another post in
this thread mentions cleaning grout haze - pay attention, as that seems
to be a frequently mentioned problem on ahr. Don't let the
adhesive/thinset pile up in grout joints or the grout will be thin and
subject to cracking. Joins to other flooring may be an issue as to type
of median or level of each - we have tile up to terazzo in three areas,
and terazzo is higher. The contractor slanted the tiles ever so
gradually, with ?thinset built up so that the tile edge is level with
the terazzo and the "slant" isn't noticeable. If considering white or
light grout, consider stain potential. Our only hazard is red wine
being spilled - taupe color tile with same color grout. :o)
I saw a clerk at local HD or Lowes cutting tile for someone once.
Special cuts the store might do for you - worth asking.
I just finished tiling my bath, and it came out pretty well. Plan on
spending a lot of time and wading through a great deal of confusion.
Get used to the fact that when the job is complete, you will always see
your own numerous flaws even when no one else claims to.
Take your time, do lots of research, and ask lots of questions in this
group. There are some very smart people here.
I can't wait to do my next tile job. I've learned a lot of lessons
the hard way.
BTW, what is the group's opinion on mastic vs. thin-set and
cement/fiber board vs. greenwall for dry tile walls?
WOW! Thanks so much everyone for all of the great information. It seems
like if I spend some more time researching "how to", pay attention to the
details, and take my time, I should be able to do a great job installing
tile in our master bathroom.
Now, all I have to do is get this job done really well so my wife doesn't
say, ...."maybe you should call my Dad, or ask our neighbor..." I hate
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Perhaps a reframe here would be helpful. Instead of proving how much
you already know about tiling, prove how quickly you can learn about
it. The latter is a greater measure of intelligence and would remove a
large source of stress.
Your first tiling job isn't going to come out perfect. Accept that.
It might come out really good and it might come out really bad, but I
would defy anyone to do a perfect job on their first try.
I just redid my bathroom and the biggest mistake I made was to wait too
long before cleaning the tiles after grouting. If you want to avoid
having grout haze and the difficulty of removing this grout haze, make
sure you clean the tiles and grout lines well after grouting. You have
to find a compromise between over cleaning and not cleaning enough of
the grout. Overcleaning and using too much water will leave you with
weak grout joints that can crack, not cleaning enough and waiting too
long to clean the grout will leave you with hazed grout lines which are
a pain to clean.
Just my input, as I am still working on removing the grout haze left on
my grout joints. After sugar and water mixture, I will move to acid
When we were shopping for tile at a real tile store, we heard a very sad
story from another customer. She and hubby had retiled a family room,
didn't clean the grout haze until it dried, and then used muriatic acid.
Wanted something to repair the damage :o)
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