Hmm from what Haller and yourself indicate, I'm glad I did save the old
stuff instead of tossing it with the old drywall and building scraps.
I don't have a ton right now, but when the house is re-wired finally I'll
have miles of old 3 wire Romex. I'm sure by then the price of copper will
have bottomed out and I'll have to pay them 50cents a pound.
Maybe it won't be so bad, the wire + about 100 lbs of old 30-06 and 8mm
shell casings, might be a profitable spring cleaning.
Our house was built in 1917, and was all K&T, of course. When I remodeled the
dining room, I found that the ceiling fixture had the hot wire covered with a
type of slip-on sheathing. When I removed the sheathing, I saw what they did
with all their cut-off ends. I had a 12ft length of copper wire made up of
pieces ranging from 6" to 12" long, all spliced and carefully soldered together.
They used everything back in them days!
BTW, all the framing in this place is full dimension.
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With the price of Romex these days, I would not throw ANY of it away.
Lets say you got an outlet on your workbench and need another on the
other end of the bench. You might only need a 4 or 6 foot piece. Or
you need to wire several outlets or switches inside one box and need
one foot of the black wire, so you strip off the Outer romex coating
and extract that piece of black (or white). Why cut a foot off a full
roll when there are scraps. I also find the individual wires are good
for wrapping around stuff. I know I have had a muffler bracket break
on my car and used a piece of #12 wire to hold it in place till I get
a proper bracket. Things like that are handy to have. Take a small
piece of plywood and nail it across two floor joists in your basement
and stick the scraps up there. It's out of the way till you need it.
I must say I never heard of splicing that many pieces of wire
together. I am always against wasting stuff, and even if I did want
to get rid of that wire, I'd sell it to a recycler, copper brings a
good price now. But I think the guy that wired your house with the
K&T must have run out of wire that day. Just seems like a lot of work
for 12 feet of wire. But if it's soldered, it was probably good as
BTW: That "sheathing" they slipped on is called LOOM. You need to
have worked with K&T to know that word :) These young electricians
probably never heard of it.....
On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 17:43:59 -0500, David Starr
On 09/10/2015 09:25 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Romex /can/ be spliced as long as the junction is in an accessible box.
If properly twisted and wire-nutted...a splice would be no different
than any other junction.
Splicing line cords, now that is a different issue.
I got a kick out of how my grandmother would extend the length of lamp
She could not deal with a total re-wiring of the lamp (or radio)...or
even deal with replacing a plug...but what she did was to simply cut the
cord in two places and splice-in an additional length of lamp
cord...then bind it all up with black friction tape.
Though it would hardly pass an electrical inspection, she used enough
tape that there really was no danger of anything shorting out.
Though I do not keep it plugged in...I inherited a console radio from
her...and left the cord-splice in-situ.
Adriane, Arnold, don't miss the part about my grandmother.
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 11 Sep 2015 05:49:29 -0500, philo
When I was about 25 I had a friend who had wired his own Soho lotf co-op
in NYC, one that had been a print shop before he and the other person on
that floor turned it in to two apartments. I guess he'd read a book,
but I was his technical advisor, even though I'd never wired anything
bigger than a lamp and my Lionel train. (Well, I'd rewound a motor,
repaired house wiring, and done other things)
Some other woman was re-doing her co-op and he referred me to her to do
electrical work. Maybe I should have said no, but I wanted to do it not
just for the money.
NYC didn't and probably doesn't permit Romex, wires in a heavy vinyl
sheath**, and insists on BX, spiral metal shielded wiring**.
**Sometimes I go into more detail than people in the ng need, for the
sake of someone I send an email copy to.
So I don't know if what I learned applies to Romex or applies outside of
NYC, but I ran BX, let's call it number 1, from her breaker box to an
accessible junction box (not just used for junction but it also had an
unrelated switch or light in it, and there I wire-nutted number 1's
wires to another BX and ran that to something else another 20 feet away.
Years later I learned that I was not allowed to do that and I should
have run two continous wires from the breaker box, in and out of the
junction box to the final destination.
So maybe BX is different from Romex, or NYC is different from elswhere.
She had told me up front that I didn't have to touch the fuse box in the
basement of the building, that she'd hire a professional electrtician
for that part, but when I was just about done with this job, she wanted
me to connect to the fusebox. 10 or 15 years later, I would likely have
done it -- in my own building, I could remove the fuse in the basement
and the output connection would have been dead. but I hadn't spent much
time in the basement of my own building yet.
Good for you. Let me tell you about my grandmother. When I was
about 8, I was lying on the floor in front of the TV and it must have
been my bare foot that went under the sofa and got a shock. The next
day, with daylight, I was able to see that she had a wire with a 2-prong
plug lying there, and I think I determined that 6 or 8 feet on it was
plugged into an extension cord. So somehow she had a cord with plugs
on both ends. But I was 8 and it didn't occur to me to challenge her
or the arrangement so I just decided to not go under the sofa anymore,
even with just my leg. She lived there another 10 years and nothing
bad ever happened.
I can't believe my cousins did this. I'm not sure they even know how,
so that leaves my grandfather, who had come from Europe when he was 20
and hadn't even had electriicty there. But when I was 6, he had shown
me how to change a wall light switch. And I somehow inherited one of
his screwdrivers, which I later learned he must have sharpened himself,
pretty good huh, except I also learned he'd sharpened it wrong, like a
chisel instead of parallel sides, or better yet getting slightly wider
at the end, with a flat end, no single-edge. He must have had a good
reason for making a cord with plugs on both ends, something that wasn't
there anymore. Before he owned a grocery store, he was a junk man, so
there's no telling what he ended up with.
On Friday, September 11, 2015 at 10:06:31 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
If you're not making a splice or junction in the box, why would
you ever run the BX straight through the box at all? Just run
it to wherever it's going. I would think that pass through would
raise the inspectors eyebrows, more so than just making a routine splice.
If the box has other stuff in it, like yours did, inspectors here
wouldn't even analyze it to figure out what's spliced versus
actually connected to other stuff inside the box.
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 11 Sep 2015 08:09:01 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
This is one of two or three things I can't remember, but there was a
I wanted to do it right, not do something wrong that inspectors wouln't
I've actually forgotten which floor or building it was, but I know the
block and I drive by every time I'm in nyc, and it hasn't burned down
yet, so that's a good sign.
There is nothing wrong with a splice, it's done all the time...and my
house ...which has one...recently passed an electrical inspection.
The inspector spent most of his time making sure everything was grounded
With BX, I think you *must* use a metal box. I dislike using it as cutting
it is always a hassle -- always wondering if you're going to *knick* the
insulation on one or more conductors while cutting the armor, having to wrap
the conductors in tape to prevent the armor from rubbing through their
Ok so I think the romex is being bogarted by my hoa and neighbor (garage) t
he pics I'll post u can see the wore going up which it nundles in loops aro
und the wooden frame structure of my garage interior - to then the other si
de if garage where rom ex powers the lite off alley exit
So how if they are socking holes to sink they power in my wall without aski
ng and who knows I mite b paying for - can these b spliced into to assist m
y low watt situation
Which from my pics u can see is a hot mess
And 1(20) switch just Abt powers all my house so there's that
I see. Well that makes good sense ,.and thank u all for ur replies & esp the kindness avail in which I may still confide 2other groups(vet ke l Lol pls forgive the amateur commentary in lieu of my ignorance - ok so .... I'
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