Tony's dishwasher topic led me to rant about my Samsung clothes dryer
which I purchased in 2012. Within 6 months of ownership, it wasn't
heating very well. My one year warranty covered a tech replacing the
circuit board. Within that same year, it would rattle when operating.
The next tech replaced rollers, belt and other misc parts. The year
warranty has passed and it rattles again when in use. I had to pull
teeth to get them to cover the warranty because it began during the
warranty and was never repaired properly. They covered it and then,
another month or so, it would rattle again. In addition, it was having
problems heating again and the past few months it requires several
cycles to dry a small load. After numerous attempts of calling Samsung,
they will only tell me warranty is over and I will have to pay for
service. Of course, they have a problem understanding it all began
during the warranty and was never fixed properly. Needless to say, I
told them to kiss my ass.
I had, as I'm sure most of us had, dryers which lasted 20+ years which
was still working but I got rid of to buy this new Samsung and yet, this
POS can't last 4 years. I told them I will start a website called
Samsungsucks.com and invite all to express their stories about the
shitty Samsung customer service and product.
I will never buy another Samsung product.
My dish washer problem was my own doing. Couple weeks ago I replaced a
set of drinking water RO system filters under the counter and disturbed
the drain hose which was causing drain water back up. Today I took care
of it and ran a full load of stuffs A-OK. I got so upset I went out in
the morning to line up a Miele dish waster with 5 year warranty(spring
promotion). I will have to call the dealer to cancel my order.
Being native Korean who left the country more than half a century ago, I
have yet to try any Korean made major product. Car, appliances,
electronic stuffs. Oh, I have one specialty refrigerator to store
Kimchi long term, LOL! Called "Dim Chae".
I heard many stories Samsung TV sets always start problems as soon as
warranty runs out. Kia cars are only good for 100K miles. After that it
becomes money pit, LOL! I think Hyundai has better reputation. Funny
they're same company like GM and Chevy.
I have 3 Samsung TV's and my flip cell phone is a Samsung and I am yet
to have any problem. They have a good reputation.
Don't know about their other stuff. Might be like a contractor I hired
for repaving my driveway who did an excellent job, but his brother who
was part of their firm was hired for some outside painting and did a
lousy job. Different product lines, different quality I guess.
Well, I bought a Samsung washer and drier about 8 years ago. I bought
a "no risk" extended warranty from my reseller. The terms were if no
repairs were required within 5 years I got my money back for the
warranty. Not a thing went wrong - and they are still in perfect
operating condition. I am in the computer business now for 26 years.
GoldStar monitors were better than NEC, Packard Bell, ViewSonic, and
many other brands, and the price point was also better. LG stands for
"Lucky Goldstar" - the old Goldstar brand.
As for Kia and Hyundai, they are a bit different than todys's GM and
Chevy. Kia and Hyundai are more like Nissan and Renault, or like
Chrysler and Mercedes were, and yet still different. They are separate
companies under common ownership - not divisions of the same company.
There are very few parts common between Kia and Hyundai. Those would
be parts supplied by a common supplier which may or may not be owned
by the same holding company.
An example would be in the japanese case of Subaru and Toyota -(who
also share a large percentage of common ownership) both using Nippon
Denso electrics - and NipponDenso is (at least majority) owned by
Toyota - which also owns Hino Trucks. The Hino plant builds (or at
least used to) most of the "land cruiser" product line for it's parent
company - yet Hino Trucks is a separate company from Toyota - under
common ownership. I believe the same is true of FUSO and Mitsubishi.
Not sure about the Korean System, but in Japan there are a few "banks"
that control almost all manufacturing - One "owns" nissan and it's
related companies, another "owns" Mitsubishi and all it's related
companies, and another "owns" the Toyota related companies, etc.
It gets more complicated with cross-polination between more distantly
related companies - with, for instance, Toyota selling the Mazda 2?
rebranded as the Yaris in Canada starting in the 2016 model year.
In past years there have been alliances between Ford and Mazda,
Chrysler and Mitsubishi, GM and Toyota, GM and Suzuki etc where one
company owned a piece of the other company and either sold their
product under the other's name or the other's under theirs - like ford
selling the Mazda pickup as a Ford Courier, then later selling the
Ford Ranger as a Mazda B series (in certain markets)
Then there is GMC with their wholly owned subsidiaries Daewoo (Korea),
Isuzu(Japan) Opel (Germany) and Vauxhaull (Great Brittain) and their
formerly wholly owned subsidiary Holden (Australia)
Today the quality of the Korean Hyundai is right up there with Mazda,
Nissan, and Mitsubishi, and nipping hard at the heals of Toyota and
Subaru. (and Kia isn't very far behind) Sure can't judge them
(Hyundai) by the old Pony, Excel, and Stellar
There is a good reason the early Hyundai vehicles were substandard.
Hyundai had for years been bulding the Ford Cortina under licence. The
Stellar was based on the Cortina Mk2 but with a Mitsubishi power
There is also good reason why the pony resembled an Austin Marina.
It was designed by the engineer who designed the Marina - the manager
hired by Hyundai to run the project was from Leyand's Morris division
- and they used parts from the Cortina they were already building as
well - and the Mitsubishi power train
Talk about taking the best from a bad lot - - - - .
Not like Toyota, who's land cruiser was largely built of parts
licenced from GM. The F series motor is based on the 1935-195? Chevy
"Stovebolt" and the transmission and clutch were also licenced GM
parts well into the seventies. That was taking some of the best
proven technology from the (then) best in the business.
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:24:35 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I used to laugh at people buying Hyundai. Then they changed. Not
only did I stop laughing, I bought a new Sonata 2007, 2010, 2013 and
now have a 2015 Genesis. They have proven to be far better than any
GM, Volkswagen or MB car that I've ever owned.
My 2001 LeSeabre was falling apart in the driveway when I bought my
first Sonata built in Alabama. Everything fit, good paint, no
problems the entire time I owned it.
Every GM car I owned had to go back at least twice (some numerous
times) for warranty fixes, only one Hyundai went back at 57,000 miles
for a warranty fix.
I liked the car for the first two years unill it started to waste away.
Engine was good, nothing else was. Needed some ignition modules, but
that is fairly routine. Transmission had to be rebuilt, climate
control had heat on one side, cooling on the other. You could switch it
though, just could not have the same on both sides. Heated seat burned
out after 2 years, but with 38,000 miles GM would not cover it in
warranty. They wanted to replace the seat bottom for $672 because the
$5 toaster element broke.
Both rear power window regulators broke and left the window to fall
down. I removed the regulator and propped the glass with a wood stick.
Brake lines rusted out. I was in the driveway when the brakes went
out. Assorted interior and dash lights were out.
Would have been criminal to sell the car so I gave it away. New owner
gave up and got rid of it after a few months.
On mine the ABS controller (Modulator) ran the piston off the end of
the thread causing the rear brakes to be impossible to bleed after one
of the lines blew. Couldn't even pressurize the line to find the leak
-so didn't know what the problem was untill I bought a used ABS unit
and master cyl and put it in - then the leak showed up. I fixed the
leak then did an autopsy on the ABS unit.
It went through oxygen sensors at a horrific rate (didn't matter if
they were OEM or aftermarket)- and when the sensors were bad the heap
wouldn't pull the light trailer - and didn't show an O2 sensor code -
it just said the engine was running lean on both banks and went into
"limp mode" when driving down the highway - without the trailer.
If it got below 1/4 tank and you hit some yough road (like washboard)
the engine would "run out of gas" because the pickup got air instead
of gas. I had to get out and "burp" the fuel ine at the schrader valve
numerous times. On smooth roads you could run it down to the last pint
The plastic body was beautiful - but the steel that supported it had a
It ate front suspension bushings and CV joints too - as well as
(mostly) front wheel bearings. First indication was the ABS coming on
prematurely at stops, then the bearings would rumble. I think I
replaced both fronts twice and one back in under 100,00km
They had all been replaced shortly before I bought the vehicle.
Other than that it was just stupid little things like hidden
connections in the wire harness opening up, terminals overheating on
switches, etc, One I fought with for several months was the oil
pressure guage jumping around when I came to a stop. (ended up being a
broken ground wire down at the lower rad support, inside the harness)
On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 06:50:50 -0800 (PST), bob_villain
Sounds like my old Pontiac TransSport with the trailer behind it.
35MPH was about all it would do after the first 5 miles or so - 39MPH
on a long downhill stretch!!!!
Mine was a 3.8 that I bought with 275000km on it and replaced the
engine with a delco crate engine that blew up at about 98000km.
(that's less than 60,000 miles)
If you meant MPG instead of MPH - sure they were relatively easy on
fuel when they were running right - but the agravation I endured from
mine wasn't worth it. My ranger drinks a bit more fuel (being
charitable) but at 340,000km with nothing but a clutch, 2 sets of U
joints, and 2 sets of front brakes - I'm sure not complaining!!!
And the clutch was far from worn out - the release cyl (inside the
bell housing) had given out - and while I had it apart I decided to
put the new clutch in rather than perhaps having to take it apart
again in the next couiple of years.
And the worst part with the GM is it went back for the SAME problem,
time and again, if it was anything like most I've been involved with.
GM. Garbage Machine.
GMC - Garage Man's Companion.
Unless they make BIG changes I'll never own another one. (last
"decent" one I owned was a '28 National)
Adding in my $.02 worth:
I was always a GM guy. However, when I finally reached where I could
afford it I purchased a new Cadillac sedan. Upon delivery I drove it
home (approx 30 miles) and parked it in my garage. The next morning I
as I tried to leave for work I noticed a LOT of oil on my garage
floor. I called the deailer and they came with a flatbed and took the
car to their shop. Come to find out, there was NO rear seal on the
engine crank. They fixed it and I picked it up. Literally everything
on that car with either defective or it broke. After only nine months
I traded it for a BMW and stayed with them for 4 more cars. In 2007 I
was working in Syracuse NY and there is a very large Hyundai dealer
there (supposedly the largest in the world). My wife wanted a new
SUV so we visited them and purchased a Santa Fe LTD. I liked her car
so much that a month later I purchased one for myself, same model,
same color in and out. We both still drive them today and other than
routine maintenance they simply run and run and run. At this point,
no need to replace them.
Another story - my brother in law is a courier and he was driving a
2006 Sonata. In 2011 he traded it for a new Sonata and his '06 at the
time had 585K miles on the odometer. The dealer cleaned it up and put
in on the showroom floor to show that Sonata could endure the mileage.
My wife now feels like purchasing a new car but she cannot find one
that she likes as much as her Santa Fe.
OK - that was $.03 worth.
Most people who get BMW or Audi drives them max 4 years. When warranty
runs out, trade it in, or sell it, buy another one or lease them. One of
my neighbor has Porch SUV which he replaces every 3-4 years.
Initial investment is bit stiff but after that is is not bad. Lexus RX
is very comfy, reliable car but no driving fun factor. A friend, after
having so much trouble with MB, switched to RX350 and fell in love with
it. His son who is a lawyer f,or Google SE Asia office in Singapore
visited him about a year ago bought him fully loaded Audi A6. Now he
likes Audi more than Lexus RX... Some call them money pit but if one
can afford it why not?
My boy just dumped 8 year old Subaru WRX STi, got BMW 3 series non-turbo
with 6MT. So far nothing but praises for that little BMW.
Daughter is still sticking with Subaru Impreza.
That's the rub - if you have to ask how much it costs, you cannot
afford it. Most people I know, even if they can afford to "piss away"
the money required to buy a new Audi or BMW or Porsche every year,
have better places to put their money.
I do know one guy who buys what he wants, price be damned - and owns a
twin turbo 911 he bought new, as well as (currently) an S8 Audi. and a
couple of Jeeps.
He doesn't need to ask how much
Nothing wrong with any one you mentioned. As long as he could manage and
afford what he does. When I went to Europe and traveled around, there I
could see many, many fancy expensive exotic vehicles every where. Even
places like Estonia, Russia, Hungary, Romania. Same in countries of SE
Asia, Japan, China, Korea. Some people think car
is their asset number 1, show off status symbol? Who cares!
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