Actually, like the paint or coffee, they did <used> to be... :)
Somewhere along about in the 60s, they went to the "standard" sub-1/2"
dimensions. I figured at the time it was a combination of making a
convienient standard at the "even" fraction plus better sawmill control
to shave a few extra tuba-ex's from a log, just like getting a few extra
sheets of ply by going from full dimension to sub-32'nds--over enough
sheets, that extra 32-nd of material adds up to quite a bit of raw
Well, you'll be pleased to learn this is as it has always been w/ base
for tint--there's room left to make the full gallon w/ the tint.
To be sure, I just checked on several really, really old (some as much
as approaching 25-30 yrs) from several manufacturers including S-W.
<All> tint bases were from 126 to 128 oz. A couple of cans of finish
exterior white which were <not> a tint base were full gallons. One of
those was also S-W, btw...
Well you'll be sorry to learn this. The tint base was 3 11/16 quarts but the
ready mixed colors are 3 27/32. Yes, they are shorting what was formerly
known as a "gallon" of paint. This was on the line in question. Some
others were still a full gallon.
I don't think that necessarily shows it's any different than previous,
however, does it?
Were any that were "full" gallons marked a tint base? I'd suspect not.
In most instances, starting from 126 oz, say, the net would still be
somewhat under 132 even after tinting. So, if they've "pre-tinted" from
the tint base quantity, it's still likely to be what you would always
have gotten starting from the tint base and custom tinting.
IOW, a "gallon" hasn't always been a gallon and the amount "short" in
the OP's note is the same amount short as has been shown for an extended
period of time.
I suppose it is possible a pre-tinted before (other than the basic
white) <may> have been marketed in 132 oz gal, but I have no old
examples of that to compare with. My suspicion is that they don't make
any distinction in manufacturing and use the tint base volumes in order
to achieve simplicity of manufacture of consistency of color.
Actually, after I posted before, I realized the numbers here <are>
grossly larger than the historical values so I do agree this is
"shorting" and is to be regretted that S-W has chosen to mask their cost
increases in such a manner... :(
Man, I'm full of wonders on this... :(
27/32 is on the <quart> not the full gallon! So 27/32*32 + 3*32 == 123
Ergo, if this is a change it is very small and would assume it was for a
I'm convinced the OP got the "full gallon" and there is no volume
reduction at all...
Sorry, there was a typo and a mental faux pas going on in tandem
there...I for some reason was thinking 132 oz/gal and wrote too
quickly...the actual numbers for tint base were from 12<3> to 125, the
non-tint-white was the full gallon...
The 123 would be in the range observed for a heavy tint but that isn't
consistent w/ 27/32 qt -- 123/128*32 ==> 31 (approx). 27/32*128 ==> 108
oz which is a considerable shortage.
In alt.home.repair on Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:07:54 -0500 Duane Bozarth
Oops, you're right. Congratulations. We all fell for this.
Right, there was never a problme to begin with. 114 posts for
nothing. :) Ugh.
If emailing, please let me know whether
or not you are posting the same letter.
Change domain to erols.com, if necessary.
FWIW, I have 2 gallons of Classic 99 paint by Sherwin
Williams-regular(old) style can, both say 124 fl oz., 3 7/8 US quarts,
underneath that, in smaller but easily readable print, the can says
Before Colorant Added.
I also have 3 gallons of their primer Preprite, which are labeled 1 US
gallon. Both were purchased in the past month.
I wonder if they just forgot to put on the "before colorant added" part
on the label of the new style container?
They forgot nothing. (Their lawyers approved the label) Both the base
for color and the pre-mixed color are shy of a gallon. The base was
actually slightly more. I'm guessing they did that so the colors would be
mixed properly as the same mixing formula are used for many different
paints. Base 33 11/16 premixed 3 27/32
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