OK, shoulda looked at HD site first! :) They do have limited
selection. Since don't have either BORG local, no idea on whether
they're stocked or not. Pricing looks more reasonable as well for
what they carry -- only 15,20A single-pole, 30,50A double-pole. No
GFCI, etc., ... But, that's the most common and is a "get by" for the
Not sure what prices you saw on the web site, but I paid CDN$9.60 for
single-pole 15 A and $17.70 for double-poll 15 A. I didn't buy any
other sizes and didn't pay attention to other prices, but I remember
them being comparable to other common breakers like Square D (which is
also made by Schneider Electric!). The store did have lots of stock -
as someone else pointed out FPL is still sold new here.
I also remember HD did have StabLok GFCI and AFCI breakers, so they can
be had. But they're quite expensive ($70 or $80). Also, a single pole
is "full width" (1 inch) instead of "half width" (1/2 inch) and has to
mount in a position in the panel where the two half-slots it takes up
are on the same phase. I briefly considered installing an AFCI for the
main bedroom outlets, as is now required by code for new construction,
but it wouldn't be a straightforward swap because of the size, and I
have almost no positions left in the panel (it's only a 100 A panel).
On Apr 3, 10:39 am, email@example.com (Dave Martindale) wrote:
Home Depot prices are $18-20 US for single pole, $40 for double for
the Connecticut Electric FPEs. They had both configurations for the
single pole but not GFCI, etc.
But, I've lived for 60+ yrs and never had a GFCI yet nor a need that I
could determine, so doubt I'll start now! :) (Of course, again, this
isn't new construction and what new work I'll be doing isn't
residential, but rather farm outbuildings/shop, anyway).
Thanks for the info. Chris forwarded some other info off-group so
have another alternative when do actually get that far.
I do see the point of GFCIs in wet locations. Our house has two GFCIs;
both are the inexpensive outlet type, not the expensive panel breaker
type. One is installed in the ensuite bathroom, with the outlets in
two other bathrooms daisy chained from it so all are protected. The
other GFCI is an outdoor outlet at the rear of the house. There are
two other outdoor outlets and again they are daisy chained from the
GFCI outlet so all are protected.
On the other hand, AFCIs are more dubious. As I understand it, the
existing ones only protect against parallel arcs. For example, you
have an extension cord in the bedroom (the only place AFCIs are now
required) and regularly roll the bed over it so it gets frayed. *If*
hot touches neutral or ground, the resulting high-current arc will trip
But I don't have any frayed extension cords anywhere (I fix them or
throw them out first) and I don't roll the bed over any cords. So I
can't see this type of AFCI being much use for their high price.
Here is the skinny on FPE:
1. There is a 2007 Federal Court ruling Manoma Realty Management versus Fed
eral Pacific Electric where Justice Julie Sweeney ruled that there is no su
ch thing as a Federal Pacific breaker that works. She ruled FPE to be flat-
as-a-dead-snake liable for a year 2000 fire that involved defective breaker
s that FPE knew were defective when they manufactured them in 1960-1962. Sh
e extended the statute of limitations from 6 years to at least 41 years in
New York state.
This court ruling also applies to the commercial bolted-in versions of the
Stabloks which have the same inherently defective design. This also applies
to the earlier multibreakers that were made by FPE and the two predecessor
companies which were Federal Electric Equipment and Colt's Patented Fire A
rms. Note: In 1942 Uncle Sam forced Colt to sell their Noark(R) electrical
equipment division to the Federal Pacific Fuse Company forming Federal Elec
tric Equipment which later became FPE.
Because of this ruling, Groupe Schneider tore up the brand name labeling ag
reements that Federal Pioneer in British Columbia had with American Circuit
Breaker Corporation and Unique Breakers Inc.
There is also a federal trademark infringement judgement that prohibits imp
orting Federal Pioneer Stab-loks into the USA.
The only legitimate spare parts that a US citizen can purchase from Federal
Pioneer are SquareD and Merin Gerin industrial breakers that are retooled
and labeled for retrofit use in FPE industrial switchboards.
2. Federal Pacific admitted several times to the US Patent office in the 19
52 to 1981 time period and possibly beyond that the Stabloks, the commercia
l bolted in versions of the stabloks, and the multibreakers on which the St
abloks are based DID NOT WORK RIGHT and had serious design deficiencies.
3. Reliance, which wads the parent company, admitted to the Securities and
Exchange Commission that FPE had defrauded Underwriters Laboratories.
4. In 1956 Underwriters Laboratories sued FPE over the matter that FPE was
counterfeiting UL labels and applied them to circuit breakers and some othe
r products that did not meet UL standards and had not been inspected or tes
ting witnessed by UL inspectors. In 1957 FPE agreed to a bench judgement ag
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on one very memorable day i had a outdoor light on a circuit all by itself.
i shut off the breaker i believed powered this light, and began working on
it:( as i found out the breaker i turned off did not power this light, the
wires shorted, and the FPE breakker never did trip, the wires welded thems
elves together, glowed brite red and eventually exploded showerinng me with
red hot wire fragments.
i replaced a bunch of breakers with new expensive ones from home depot.
I should add I could of killed myself one day repairing a machine i service
the trouble report said the key lock switch was hard to turn. i casually tr
ied moving the lock switch and ended up across the room on the floor, loo
king up at cieling:(. i provided a excellent hand to hand power line . he k
eylock switch which switched 120 volt power line voltage had a internal sho
rt which powered the body of the lock and key itself. the keyock isnt groun
ded since its in a plastic bezel. i reported the safety issue first to the
machines manufacturer, then when they didnt address it to UL, who also didn
UL should of jumped on that.
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