Interestingly, I had never heard of the brand until a local plumber
said that was the best. It turns out that Toto is the world's largest
manufacturer of toilets. Most of us haven't heard of them because
they don't sell in stores like Home Depot. You have to go to a
plumbing supply house or a plumber. Toto's website is here:
The best place to buy them I could find was here:
http://www.homeclick.com/showpage.asp?itemidU38 This is the toilet
we put in. You don't have to spend that much if you go with a
two-piece. Shipping is free over $199. They truck them right to your
house. However, the truck driver may or may not help you get it off
the truck. In our case, he did.
Then you are the perfect candidate for a Toto. In order to meet
Federal standards for toilets, they have to flush 250 grams of
"stuff". The best Toto's can flush 900 grams! You won't find any
3-gallon toilets that will flush that well. The toilets we took out
were very expensive (around $700 each) one-piece, 3-gallon Kohlers.
They couldn't begin to flush what these Toto's can handle.
Go here for some good info and opinions:
And read this report, featuring the ever-popular "bulk and extruded
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 02:56:59 +0000, WConner wrote:
Wish I'd have had enough brains to ask this question BEFORE I bought 2
toilets. Some of the links these answers provide are great.
We bought a home and the toilets would barely flush water. Very low
quality. 3-4 flushes and plunges were an everyday, several times a day,
I replaced the toilet in the main bathroom with an American Standard
Champion right away. The one that flushes golf balls. My son-in-law
plugged it one time. What a bugger to plunge when it gets plugged. That's
the only time it has plugged in 6 months.
A couple months later I replaced the one in the master bath with a Kohler
Cimarron with Class Five Flush. Home Depot told me they were very close
in performance to the American Standard. Now-2-3 flushes are an everyday
thing and I have had to plunge it a few times. It's been in about 7-10
days now. I'm calling the Depot today about exchanging it for an American
The Kohler is advertised as flushing 100' of toilet paper (TP). After it
was installed, but before it was used, I put in approx 24 feet of
2-ply TP and did a test flush. Most of the TP just got wet and it didn't
go down. Just was in the bowel near the drain. I flushed again and it
plugged. After unplugging the toilet I tried everything to get the Kohler
to flush 24 feet of TP. I never could get it to.
I did the same test on the American Standard. I found the TP had to be wet
and away from the hole. Then it flushed the paper with no problem. Didn't
seem to be able to wet 24 feet of TP on the first flush. Neither did the
Bottom line is the American Standard is MUCH better. I will check out the
Toto mow that I have heard of them. I may try and return this Kohler and
just get another American Standard.
I'm just letting you know NOT to get the Kohler Cimarron. The other
Kohlers may be great but the Cimarron is a piece of.........well you know.
You won't be sorry. We have one Drake and two Ultramax. We installed
them a little over a year ago, and not once has one of them required a
second flush. When you get the Drake installed, you will see right
away how different they flush from most anything else. The contents
just disappear. Goes straight down without any whirlpool effect.
They are also quieter than anything else I have heard. Can't say
enough good about them. If you want to pamper yourself, get the
hydraulic closing seat. Not cheap, but you will never have a lid slam
down again. I think it was about $40. Standard with the Ultramax.
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:47:46 -0700, Dick wrote:
Well I got the Drake installed. The ada height elongated was approx $320
at a local plumbing supply company. The round standard height was $225.
I gave it a flush to prime the system. I put 24 feet of tp in it and
flushed. It went into the hole and sat there, very wet. I pulled it away
as I did with the others and flushed it again. At least it was easy to
If I ever have to replace a toilet again right now I'm thinking I'd go
with the American Standard Champion. It flushed 24 feet of tp.
The good news is that it works MUCH better than the Kohler. If we don't
have any problems with it by Friday, I can finally throw toilet boxes away
and hide the plungers.
It does flow a lot of water along the sides of the bowel. Something the
Kohler did NOT do at all.
Thanks for the help,
You could have saved a little by buying at HomeClick. The Drake ADA
elongated there is $307.43. Free shipping and no tax. I can't
imagine that the Drake wouldn't outdo the Champion in normal
operation. The Drake is rated to flush 900 grams of "stuff." The
Champion is rated only for 500 grams. The Drake should be able to
flush nearly twice as much bulk as the Champion. I think you will
find the Drake to be a great performer.
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:46:19 -0700, Dick wrote:
I didn't do too bad then. It was $297.52. I bought a wax ring and some
I was surprised myself after all I read. The map chart I saw says the
Champion either flushes 650 or 800 grams. It's a 1-piece but I'm not sure
which model. I wonder how accurate those numbers are. Maybe it's a
quality control problem or something? That Kohler is rated at 800 grams
and it had a heck of a time with normal waste.
I'm sure 24 feet of tp is way overkill but after the Kohler advertised it
would flush 100', I just had to see. Spool off 24 feet sometime. That's a
crapload (oops-slipped) of tp.
So far for normal use the Drake has performed great and I am pleased with
it. The amount of time it has been installed I would have already had to
double flush the Kohler several times. I doubt I will have any problems
with it-at last.
Thanks again for everything.
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