Refrigerator not working again

[Stormin Mormon]

Drop and give me 20 Hail Marys, maggot!

[Stormin Mormon]

Amateurs. I worked on Moses' abacus.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Not likely. I got in an argument with a D.I. in basic. Before it was over, the Captain read him the riot act and 'suggested' that he would not like being an E1 again.

[Steve]

Gotta love it when they go with the lowest bid and they got what they paid for.

[Michael A. Terrell]

They didn't hire you.

[Steve]

You can run those old systems all you want until you need a compressor, or a coil... then *if* you can find one, in another year, you"ll be hard pressed to find R22, and when you do, its going to cost you. In the mean time, you can keep throwing your money away when you pay your electric bill.

I put a new 14SEER dual fuel/hybrid system(4 ton) in my own home in February.... my August light bill was only $200, and used 500kwh *LESS* than August last year. You can *DO* what you want, I will keep my money in my pocket, thanx.

[Steve]

They couldn't afford me. Besides I don't do new construction, there is no money in it, I make more money sitting in my recliner.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Yawn. You're just another armchair troll, I see.

[Mike Hocksbigg]

Gotta love it when a troll like you labels others troll. :)

Hell, switch a few letters around in your last name and it becomes Michael A. Troll :) LOLZ!

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Ignoramus15834 fired this volley in news:T8Odnbd_scqdogfRnZ2dnUVZ [e-mail]:

Ig... it's not unreasonable for a new start cap to fail. Electronic parts tend to fail in two regimes -- "infant mortality", and "old age". If they get past four or five months, they usually last for their rated lives.

Also, I think you said you replaced the start relay. If it actually IS a relay (because they call those abominable PTC things "relays", too), then it's easy to tell if it's working. If, instead, you open the thing up and find a coin-sized disk of unobtainium with two leads, it's a PTC thermistor, and prone to all sorts of ills. Replace it with a real potential relay, and you'll lick the problem (if it's failed).

Even a loose connection between the "relay" and the hermet connector on the compressor can cause the symptoms you see.

LLoyd

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Ignoramus15834 fired this volley in news:EqmdnY-rrP0D3QfRnZ2dnUVZ [e-mail]:

A chip of grunge in one of the oiler holes on one of the crank bearings or the motor tailshaft bearing can cause the problem. It can happen in older units, too, but less often because everything was over-built back when.

It's not a stretch for a guy with your skills to change the compressor -- say, with one from a 20-year-old fridge. You'd need the tools to evacuate the system. You'd need to install access valves. You'd need to either find a "friendly" with some R-22, or replace the charge with propane.

But generally, a fridge isn't worth the work, when you can get another one for under $100.

LLoyd

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

"Michael A. Terrell" fired this volley in news:l6ednYdkbYdV3gfRnZ2dnUVZ [e-mail]:

The problem is that the EPA and the refrigeration industry have conspired to make their trade a government-sanctioned cartel and a "black magic" trade, respectively.

If it's "illegal to do yourself", it "must be difficult"; no?

HVAC distributors are generally honest, although they have the same cartel mentality. For instance, a large umbrella corporation that owned GemAire recently acquired Grainger and Baker Brothers, as well.

Now, none of their individual business units will sell you anything that _contains_ Freon, even if it's a sealed system. They tell callers, "it's the law...". But, of course, it's not; you can buy "sealed systems" in the form of window units and fridges at any store you wish, except those cartel members.

The more the government encourages them, the more dishonest they become. (sidebar... EPA should be abolished, and ALL the f'ing unconstitutional "laws" they've passed) One _shouldn't_ gas-off Freon into the atmosphere, but the act should be illegal, not the possession of Freon.

Now, local repair shops? I'd say 60% of them are scam artists with no repair skills at all. Another 38% are completely incompetent, even if they're honest. That leaves what?

LLoyd

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Jeff Thies fired this volley in news:i7dh5p$umi$1 @news.albasani.net:

1971. Old NASA stuff maintained by Hazeltine Corp. They were all in the process of being replaced by core memory units. By 1974, they had all been replaced with Hazeltine 2000-A units.

The "terminals" were full 19-inch racks with vector caliographic character drawing -- not dot-matrix displays.

They had a 1K-byte memory "coil" that had a 16.66ms full path delay. Hmmm... why, that matched the scan refresh rate! Darn!

LLoyd

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

"Steve" fired this volley in news:i7drvb$rjr$ [e-mail]:

I didn't say replacing a unit for the efficiency was a bad idea. I said reefer guys are crooks. There's a difference.

LLoyd

[Steve]

OK, how are we crooks and what part of that would not apply to your profession?? Or is it that we are not supposed to make a living to be able to keep a roof over our heads, food on the table, and support our families, as well as those who depend on us for their livings too??

What is *YOUR* vocation?? hmm??

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

"Steve" fired this volley in news:i7e9b9$sui$1 @news.eternal-september.org:

I design pyrotechnic effects for the stage trade, sell them to people who ASK for them, and do NOT bilk people by telling them the effect they bought for $60.00 two years ago needs to be replaced by a $6,000.00 "new technology" replacement, or their family will die from CO poisoning.

Instead, if the effect they bought doesn't work right, I replace it for free -- including shipping.

And y'know what? Nobody who's ever dealt with our company thinks we're dishonest -- not even the ones who don't prefer ours over another brand. Why? 1) We've never, ever cheated anyone. 2) We bend over backwards to save our customers money, instead of pushing more and more stuff down their throats. The result is, the sales we might have "lost" by not pushing hard, we gain back in new business by happy referrals.

I can't even think five times when an HVAC guy actually fixed something that I was happy about it. They overcharge, they seldom fix the problem on the first try, and always say "the other part won't be in 'til next Tuesday", they have a cartel/monopoly subsidized by our government, and they mostly don't know what they're doing.

Now... How are you crooks?

First of all, I can't speak to whether or not you personally are one. But the company you keep paints you with a broad brush. MOST of the HVAC "repair" companies in Central Florida have so many black marks against them with BBB, Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and various "investigative journalists" that it's as likely to find an honest one as to win the lottery.

They even go so far as to sabotage units so they can declare them junk and coerce the customer into a replacement.

THAT's how "you" are crooks. I never said, "All reefer guys are crooks."

LLoyd

[Michael A. Terrell]

The 1.5% that can do a good job, if they aren't having a bad day/week/month/year. :(

You even find idiots at the OEMs. :(

[Michael A. Terrell]

It's been shown on Central Florida local TV where the so called HVAC Tech punches a hole in the coil of someone's A/C unit on a hidden camera. They had the system tested by one company, then called different companies who ALL wanted over $1000 each to fix imagined or created problems.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Just like the long obsolete 'Shift Register Memory' used in some early terminals. The only difference was that the delay was all electronic. Don Lancaster's famous 'TV Typewriter' project used them, along with a Signetics 2513 masked ROM for the character generator. Both were available in limited quantities on the surplus market in the '70s.

[The Daring Dufas]

I used to pour over Popular Electronics at the library every time they had a cover shot of some new project Don Lancaster (my hero) came up with. I loved the project books that he produced for Radio Shack and I wish I still had them. 8-)

TDD