This is going to be kind of hard to describe so bear with me. I'll
to post pics later.
I recently renovated my kitchen and I started to install the crown
molding on top of the cabinets.One
wall has wall cabinets and the last cabinet is a 45 degree cabinet
that ends with the wall . Past this wall is my DR and LR.
Here is the problem. the last 45 degree cabinet ends about 1" away
from the end of the wall. When I put up the crown, it sticks out
the wall. It looks good if standing in front of it in the DR, but
you look at it from the LR on the other side, all you see is this
piece of crown sticking out past the wall and it looks ugly. I
about putting a return, but it would not look right on top of the
cabinet. I would basically have to cut the top molding about 3"
shorter then do a return and it would not look good. The only way it
looks good if I cut the end of the molding straight ( no 45 at the
wall). The molding does not stick out past the wall if I do this.
Obviously does not look as good as a return or a 45 , but this looks
like my only choice.
Anyone ever run into this before and how you dealt with it?
What about a 45 return of the crown only at the corner the length of
which is simply the depth back to the cabinet (I presume) it is mounted
on? All that would "stick out" would be that relatively small amount
over 1" of the width of the mould.
As you say, I'm having a hard time visualizing exactly the situation...
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:36:22 -0800 (PST), Mikepier
Kind of tough without pics, but a few ideas:
Instead of a normal 90 degree return, how about a 45 degree return
that would die into the wall flush with the side wall (or 1/4 back)
This would require a compound miter. The return piece would be
triangle shaped. A variation of this would be to build a decorative
corner block with one 90 side for the crown to die into, and one 45
side to parallel the wall.
Or, carry the crown 6 or 12 inches around the corner and do a normal
return into the wall. To make this look right, you will have to build
out the top front edge of the 45 cabinet with a flat piece so it ends
up flush with the corner. Then the crown can continue around the
corner without a notch in it. Of course, this will mean recutting the
piece before the 45 since it will have to run longer to line up with
the extended cabinet front.
Or, return the crown at the end of the straight row of cabinets and
use a flat molding (or dentil) to trim the 45. The flat piece would
die into the return on the one end and the wall on the other end. I
think this might end up looking best, especially if there is another
area (perhaps over sink or hood) where you can echo the treatment so
it looks like a design element.
Listen, this whole thing about putting work above the newsgroup has
gotta stop. Blow off work, go home and post some pictures. Have a
celebratory cocktail when you get home in honor of not bowing down to
I'd glue up a nice block of wood (with a decorative carving?) just next
to the cabinet at 'crown molding" height and end the crown molding against
the block with a straight cut. I'm not sure but I think that will mean a 45
deg. internal miter on the crown molding. Cut the molding slightly long and
then sand until you get a good fit.
on 12/15/2007 4:41 PM Mikepier said the following:
I had the exact same problem when I redid my kitchen, but I allowed for
the problem before I even installed the cabinets.
I have jambs and casement molding around all doorless openings. I
removed the jambs and casement molding from the opening, nailed a 2x4 to
the old stud to beef it out. Then re-installed the old jambs after
having shortened the top jamb to fit the new opening. I filled in the
gaps between the new right jamb and old 2x4 with pieces of sheetrock,
then re-installed the casement molding after shortening the top pieces.
In your case, you would have to remove the corner bead, beef it out,
then sheetrock the opening and re-install corner beads.
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:41:49 -0800 (PST), Mikepier
As it is now, I see the bottom piece goes too far to the right.
Look at the glass panels of the 45-degree piece. Imagine this piece
to extend back, ignoring the walls for just a minute, as if you are
looking at a piece of furniture with 90-degree sides (such as a
crowned bookcase). With that in mind, trim back the bottom piece of
the crown molding support, just as if it rides on top of the right
side of the imaginary cabinet. Return the bottom piece to the wall.
In your case, this will be a very small piece which is glued in place.
Cut the top piece of the crown to return as well. I would not glue
the bottom piece until the top piece is properly fitted. This looks
like a very tricky fit, so you may need to do some fussing to get it
right (been there, done that!) The good part is that this is a small
piece and you can afford to make a couple mistakes. Do this
right--this molding is a very visible piece and likely to be there a
long time for everyone to see. Plus, we are all looking forward to
your posting the finished crown pictures. A close up would be nice
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