It's the Silicon Valley, so, it doesn't really get to freezing
temperatures (all that much). The house is 30 years old so I assume the
pipes never froze before.
They seem to also have a buried wire (looks like low voltage but I'm not
sure) next to them. (Too dark now but I'll snap a closeup tomorrow.)
They were covered with sod which I dug up to in the process of digging a
couple of inches down to start putting the flagstone walkway in.
I'm surprised they had no cover on top; just sod.
I guess I 'could' just put a flatstone on top of them - but that seems
not to be the right way to do it.
I'm gonna look for a double-width irrigation box - but I wonder if there
is something made for this. There are no valves, so I don't really need
access to it. They're just PVC water pipes which were about 2 inches or 3
inches below the top of the sod.
I would look at something in the commercial metallic cover type
sort of thing to cover those pipes... That plastic irrigation cover
will look very out of place with flagstone pavers surrounding it...
You are going to have to do a lot of work to properly set an access
panel cover -- your walkway will probably have to be up higher than
you are anticipating as you have to dig up around the pipes to set it
in place and the ring/support for the lid has to be above the level of
Plastic just doesn't strike me as standing the test of time nor the
weight of the flagstone pavers and the concrete you will set them
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 02:03:02 +0000 (UTC), Chuck Banshee
Yes, but now you've removed 2 or 3 inches of dirt, as you say below.
How much were you planning to re-cover it with?
Did you actually walk on them before? Or just next to them?
That they are irriigation pipes doesn't mean you have to use an
irrigation box. Anything that will spread out the weight of what is
on top of them, and will last a long time, is okay. Make sure the
dirt around t he pipes won't wash away, so that it's supportig your
cover, so your cover isn't supported only by t he top pipe.
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:24:04 -0800, DerbyDad03 wrote:
1. Turn off the water and drain the old hose faucet, also called the
2. Use emery cloth to clean the copper water pipe leading to the hose
3. Cut the pipe using a tubing cutter and then remove the old hose faucet.
4. Insert the new frost-proof sillcock into the hole in the wall, and
mark its mounting-hole locations.
5. Drill holes on the mark and insert plastic wall anchors.
6. Apply silicone caulk around flange of the frost-proof sillcock.
7. Slide sillcock into hole, press tight to wall and secure with
stainless steel screws.
8. Use an adjustable wrench to remove stem unit from sillcock.
9. From inside, solder a length of copper pipe to the end of the sillcock.
10. Use a coupling to solder new pipe to the existing water pipe.
11. Re-install the stem unit into sillcock and tighten with wrench.
12. Turn on water and test your work.
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:24:04 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
Thanks. Too hard to do. It would require for one faucet cutting a
hole in basement ceiling, after removing all the books and
disassembling the book shelf under that spot.
The other pipe is accessible, but iits above an old wardrobe, armoir,
that's full almost to the top with camping equipment. Very hard to
do the job without moving the warddrobe; hard to move the warddrobe.
Nothing is at eye level like in the video.
re: " Too hard to do"
Imagine how "hard" (and expensive) it will be to clean up the mess
when the spigot freezes and the pipe bursts.
I guess you will have to stick with either draining your spigot or
*hoping* that the styrofoam cover works.
I certainly wouldn't trust a styrofoam cover. It's not like it
generates any heat.
Try this experiment: Buy a cheap styrofoam cooler and put some water
in it. Leave it outside in freezing weather and let me know how it
works out. Why would that be any different than putting a styrofoam
cap on a spigot?
I open my spigots and turn the shutoff to the spigots off. If they
freeze and burst the pipe inside the house, I'll get about 3 feet of
1/2 copper pipe worth of water. I can live with that.
In the 25 years I've been in the house, it's never happened.
If fact, the only time I know of that the spigot froze is the year my
son turned the shutoff on, went outside, turned the spigot on and
nothing came out. He didn't know what was going on (he was 12) so he
just walked away. A few days later my wife came home from work to find
the spigot gushing water. It had warmed up enough to thaw.
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:49:15 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
That's not going to happen. I've been here 28 years. It's nol
happened yet and the world is getting warmer.
The question is, can I stop putting the styrafoam covers on the
I thinik heat comes out through conduction in the pipe. After all
it's 68^ in the house, only a few inches away.
I should find out if my neiighbors drain the last few inches, but I
keep forgetting when I see them so I haven't asked even one. Thanks.
Not related really but I found a horizontal pipe in a brushy field
near an expressway that was shooting water out 5 feet before it
started to fall down. Took me calls to 3 offices before the water
companyturned it off. But that was after the ground downhill from t
here was flooded for 2 years. All from that pipe.
I live in Baltimore too and I have seen in my lifetime, I belive back in the
mid or late 80s, it get cold enough to freeze and break pipes _inside_ an
unheated house. So I would say, yes, drain and shut off the line to your
outside faucet. That said, it does have to get down in the teens for at
lease a couple days straight before that happens, and the weather forecast
is usually good enough to give fair warning.
Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler. (Albert Einstein)
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 02:03:02 +0000 (UTC), Chuck Banshee
Whoever put them there did no cement up the hole in the foundation. You
likely have water leaking into the basement, and that may be worse now
that they are uncovered. You should cement up that wall around the
pipes. All you need is a small amount of sand mix concrete. Clean out
the dirt, clean well, and fill the hole. Since it's always tough to do
this around multiple pipes, some "Great Stuff foam might work better,
but then apply tar over it, because that Great Stuff might absorb water.
Either way, clean the hole out real well first.
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:13:21 -0800, Paul Drahn wrote:
I'm heading off to Home Depot tomorrow morning. I'll see what they have.
The interesting thing was these plastic pipes were merely buried in the
sod, and not protected. I guess nobody figured I'd put a walkway there so
I might have to re-think where I put the walkway.
One problem is the pipes seem to go down at an angle so I'd have to
extensively modify any box I buy ... but I'll see what Home Depot has.
Thanks. I'll let you know what I come up with.
Or you would have to purchase a LARGER metal or fiberglass
access panel and frame... But to do it right the finished surface
has to up higher than the pipes -- you wouldn't build it so that
the cover would almost be touching the pipes...
Why would you put a walkway right up against the
foundation of the house? People need clearance to
walk by, don't they? With the walkway where you say
you're putting it, you'd have your shoulders right next
to the wall. Normally that area would be used for an
area a few feet wide with plants of some type and
the walkway next to that.
If you insist on putting it there, the walkway is going
to have to be a few inches higher for room for base/sand
plus the stone. I'm assuming the pipes are irrigation.
Can't tell the size from the pics, but the smallest one
looks too small for irrigation and the largest looks to
large for a home system. And whatever you put on
top of the pipes to try to protect them may not be
much better than just a flagstone properly set.
The problem is without a support structure on either
side to hold a protection plate of some kind, the
weight from people walking is still going to be presenting
a shear force down on the plastic pipes.
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 06:38:18 -0800, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It's not really the 'foundation' of the house - it's the foundation of a
three foot high (or so) structure that holds lots of plants next to the
My wife wants to put potted plants on that flagstone right next to the
foundation - but the foundation is only a few feet high so you 'can' walk
on it. Plus, I didn't know what to call it since a 'potted plant
flagstone path' wouldn't make much sense.
This is what I just bought from Home Depot:
I'm hoping that box will support weight without putting it on the pipes:
The pipes are certainly active since there are water features in the
cement structure along the wall (which I had called a foundation for lack
of a better term).
You mentioned using a flagstone. Is that what you will be using for
the entire walkway? If so, I would just fill in and around the pipes with
gravel, perhaps with some bricks or blocks at the periphery, and lay
the flagstone on top. Maybe not the best way, but at least with the
kind of soil in my own yard, I'd be pretty confident it would hold up
OK. Taking you on your word that freezing is not an issue in your locale.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation
with the average voter. (Winston Churchill)
I agree here. It's hard to guess from the pics, but they look like they
could be Geothermal heating. Although the small one going into the
bigger one is a question.
On 1/26/2012 9:40 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
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