Metal old-wiring boxes are available in every home improvement store
and larger hardware stores I've ever looked for such stuff in.
Instead of the flip-out tabs, they have a metal strip on the side that
deforms out behind the wall as the screw is turned, much like a molly-
You can also use the 'E' fingers that slip behind the wall and then
are bent into the box.
On Jul 30, 9:15 am, firstname.lastname@example.org (Doug Miller) wrote:
I'm actually in northern VA, and we have tons of Home Depots although
there are none of the others convenient to me (there's a Lowe's about
20 miles away.) They do NOT carry anything other than the plastic
boxes, new work boxes, and the traditional old work boxes that are
used with Madison hangers.
I wouldn't even know where the supply houses are here and I doubt they're open
anytime outside of my normal work hours. The BORG and Lowes are only about
three miles from my house. For a couple of old-wiring boxes, cost isn't a
I've used supply houses for large jobs (different state). They were fine,
though the droids at the desk didn't really seem to want my business. I have
found the staff at HD and Lowes to be quite variable. Mostly indifferent but
some stores have quite competent staff. In VT, many in the electrical
department were electricians, some retired (Ohio HD employees were beyond
useless). Here, it's a mix; most at least want to help.
On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 11:58:05 -0500, " email@example.com"
I've found here the ones who WANT to help are totally incapable and
those who might be capable don't give a rat's ass, - and then there
are those who"know it all" but are wrong, wrong, wrong.
Like the one former phone company employee and licenced electrician
who INSISTED I needed 4 pair (cat 5) wire to wire an extention to a
Nortel Norstar digital phone system, when all the other 23 were wired
with single twisted pair wiring and were working perfectly that way
for over 8 years - - - - - .
Same here. Those just aren't available at the Big Boxen, and in fact,
even metal old work boxes and Madison hangers are hard to find,
although they do have them (and they are usually on different shelves
from each other, what's up with that?)
So you expect to find nails on the same aisle as the 2x4s? When you go to the
grocery, you expect to find baking pans right next to the flour, or milk with
the cereal? Do they keep charcoal in the meat case?
On Jul 30, 10:37 am, firstname.lastname@example.org (Doug Miller) wrote:
Apples and oranges. They're in the same *section* just three shelves
up and five shelves over, or something. And God help you if you can't
find them and ask an associate where the Madison hangers are, unless
you *like* getting that bovine look of noncomprehension. That's what
I hate the most about Home Depot, really. Whereas once you invest the
half hour or so to figure out where everything is, you know know more
about what a store stocks than the people that work there.
Ah, but just think of the feeling you get when you encounter an
employee that actually knows what (s)he's talking about.
We've got 1.5 guys in our HD's plumbing department that know what
they're talking about. (one knows *everything*, the other is pretty
good). The first time I was looking into SharkBites, I luckily found a
guy who knew them inside and out, including sources for connectors
that HD didn't carry. I probably would have spent a lot more money and
effort if it hadn't been him in the aisle that day.
They've also got one guy in flooring that not only could answer my
questions, but came up with some creative solutions to deal with the
foyer floor after I installed a new entry door.
Electrical...well that's a different story. Other than getting them to
cut wire for me, I don't bother asking for help or suggestions.
I found those boxes in the link at my locally owned Ace this morningm but
only in single gang. As I am putting in a 50A outlet, I need a double gang
box, and they don't have any double gang metal boxes with the screw wings
for old work (and I'll be damned before I put a 50A outlet in a flimsy blue
So, I picked up a metal new work box, and it looks like I'll get to open up
an access panel on the other side of the wall. Poop.
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