if hit it would disable the person immediately, but not kill them.
perhps something combining a physical hit with a neuro toxin that causes fast paralysis.
so the suspect isnt able to hurt anyone else,
Fast paralysis would most likely also stop the muscles that control
breathing. You would have a non-zero number who would be allergic,
croak, and thus cause uproars. There is a certain small number of people
who die from Tazers, mostly those with unknown (at least to the cop)
heart problems, high on various things (interactions with street drugs
would likely be another concern of neurotoxins).
Heck even just having someone hold them down can cause heart
attacks or positional asphyxiation.
If there was such a thing, the Defense Department would be
working on it.
I saw on a TV drama once where the police fired a "bean bag" shotgun
which knocked the person down and stunned them. Not knowing, would
that be something viable for any initial assault.
I'm not a LE officer but those I know who are even think that the
incidence of this action is out of control.
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On 9/24/2016 10:05 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
BS! In the Tulsa situation two different officers deployed weapons -
one chose a gun the other the Taser. Not second guessing which was the
correct choice, but that comment makes it seem the police are trying to
kill someone rather than stopping a threat which is the intent (or
should be). If the police WANTED to kill those people, the surest way
would be to just ignore them and their calls for help when their
neighbors turn on them.
Depends. I have a friend who was on scene commander at a barricade
situation involving a looney tunes 70+ year old woman. This went on for
weeks and they attempted to take her down (after she'd fired upon
sheriff's deputies with a commitment order from the court) with a bean
bag round. Apparently she watched the same TV drama and had wrapped and
taped newspapers to her torso and extremities as a crude sort of body
armor. Hit her with the bean bag in the chest and it didn't do much
other than piss her off. (they eventually took her without injury)
Another one, within 6 miles of me involved a drugged out idiot who
knifed a family member and was running around with a knife. He refused
to stand still and cooperate and unfortunately when they fired the bean
bag round he ducked rather than zag, took it in the head and was killed.
What people either forget or choose to ignore is that the streets are
not a testing lab. The officer has a split second to react to the
threat (real or perceived) and there normally is no time to try Plan B.
No doubt there are cases such as that. However, until all the facts are
in and everything has been thoroughly analyzed the ones that you know -
if they are speaking of either the Charlotte or Tulsa incident - should
pour themselves a large cup of STFU and wait until the investigation is
completed. It what they would want if they were in those officer's
shoes. Either that or they are just idiots - Hey! It happens even in
the best of departments.<g>
BTW, could the Tulsa quick charging wind up being nothing more than an
effort to placate the BLM crowd? Like Baltimore? Will the charges
stand? Will there be a conviction? Stay tuned.
On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 11:25:46 AM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
And in another recent incident, the shooting outside the convenience
store in Louisiana, the police apparently first used a taser and for
whatever reason, it wasn't effective. They wound up wrestling with
the perp on the ground and then shooting him. The perp had a gun in
his pocket. Taser's aren't perfect, they rely on a dart with a wire
sticking in the perp. Faced with an imminent deadly threat, they are
not the solution.
Exactly. That's why it's so difficult to convict a cop in one of
these shootings. If I was on the jury, even if the cop made a mistake,
I'd have a tough time finding them guilty when they have a split second
to make a decision in a volatile, toxic, dangerous situation that they
did not create. The perp created it.
That seems to be the safest route these days. Charge knowing you have
no case, then let the jury acquit a year or two later, when things have
cooled down. What leads one to suspect that could be the case in Tulsa
is how quick the charges were brought. It's hard to imagine they did
a full, fair investigation of all the evidence in that short period of
And the latest one - where the wife was shooting video while telling the
cops that her husband was on some sort of medication.... I can't figure
out why on earth the cops, at that point, couldn't have just backed off
and waited for things to settle down... it's not like the guy had a
pump-action shotgun and was firing at people.
Same with a 15-year-old girl recently: they handcuffed her, got her
mostly into the car and then, when she refused to pull her feet inside
the door, they maced her. Geeze..... How about you just step back and
tell her than you're getting paid by the hour and she can lay there
until the cows come home... but sooner or later she's going to get tired
They seem heavily biased or trained towards exacting total immediate
submission no matter what - and escalating force until they get it.
And how about the wacko hiding in the boat after planting the Boston
Marathon bombs? They had him surrounded, there was no way in the
world he was going anywhere... Nobody knew how many other bombs he had
planted - so it would seem like a really, really, *really* good idea to
take him alive and able to talk..... Instead they poured fire into that
boat for at least 20 seconds.... by some miracle, he survived and was
able to be questioned but it was just that: a miracle....... My
impression of that whole thing was "Keystone Cops in action".
Why do selections of your police force come over to the UK to learn how
our cops approach and tackle dangerous villains without guns?
There are other ways.
Scots Police Teach US Cops How To Avoid Gun Use - Sky News
31 Jan 2016 - Sky cameras follow officers from Boston Police Department
as they find out how violent offenders are tackled in the UK. ...
American police chiefs have been to Scotland to learn new techniques in
how to avoid shooting violent suspects ... "It's about time that we step
up and this is our chance," said Mr Wexler ...
What can US trigger-happy cops learn from Britain's gunless police ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Americas
12 Jun 2015 - To join the few and the proud who police Britain's streets
with a gun, first ... “I constantly remind our officers that their best
weapon is their mouth,” he said. ... officers faced regular drills
challenging them to find creative ways out ...
The cynic in me would think that some would see it as one more tool with
which to torture/punish people.
Doesn't mean that's going to be the case.... but that is my kneejerk
reaction after seeing where things have gone with Mace and Tasers.
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