OT Why $7.50 is enough

Feb 26, 2021 Last reply: 5 years ago 142 Replies

The ECM should flag errors on any attached microprocessors and they are pretty good at finding bugs in themselves. It is usually the bottom call in the MAP. The reality is they don't fail often enough to be a huge concern and when they do it is going to be a dead soldier, an input line receivers that failed or have a bad output driver. A meter or maybe a scope should show you that. Most shops don't use scopes, not that kind anyway. People, particularly shade tree mechanics and old timers just have brain freeze when they think about computers. The ECM makes it easier, not harder. The states trust them enough to have abandoned tail pipe inspections, trusting the ECM will tell them if a car is not running right and polluting. That usually also results in performance issues. I wouldn't open the hood for an engine problem that isn't leaking something until I scanned for codes. Same with my outboards.

It wasn?t clear that that is what you were still asking about.

And we arent talking about a tune chip.

Fact os even the dealer doesn?t replace a failed microprocessor in the ECM. The whole thing is refurbished by a specialist in the rare situation where one of the microprocessors has failed.

No one internally repair the radio anymore unless it?s a simple cabling fault or something like that.

How odd that I am in fact assisting that mate of mine with reprogramming the ECM in those Mercs and with getting the right radio unlock code as well.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:10:20 -0800 (PST), trader_4 posted for all of us to digest...

Who is this Fred? I must have him blocked as I'm not seeing any of his posts...

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 00:29:25 -0500, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to digest...

Thanks, that answered my question of who Fred was. I have him in the Bozo bin.

Vastly cheaper for one out of a car that isnt economic to repair after a crash or when someone decided that they prefer something different to the original in their car.

On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 10:54:15 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com posted for all of us to digest...

The trouble comes in when the owners want something installed; like a backup camera that wasn't original to the vehicle. The vehicles have networks that if something is hung on then the network crashes. The saving grace in this the 'installers' do such a crappy job it only crashes it intermittently.

Sure there are adapters available but what if this 'installer' just grabs a backup light wire to power it because he doesn't have the correct adapter? Add a few Scotchlock connectors, wires joined by twisting and covering in tape, intermittent grounds. A recipe for disaster. In many cases there is no room for adapters and the dash modules are part of the main brain.

I worked with a guy who claimed he was a mechanic - VW bugs. He got a remote start installed on his Hyundai by a guy he knew. I went out in the parking lot going to a site and saw him laid out under the car muttering to himself. The next day I come in the parking lot I see glittering on the asphalt. I went over and looked at a pile of crimped and cut terminals. Pieces of wire and hunks of tape. And smiled. The owner had problems about a month later with electrical system problems. I don't think he found the guy because he wasn't the most pleasant guy to begin with and didn't talk about it with anyone. IIRC he crashed it and bought a new one with OEM remote start.

Of course used is cheaper. something different? Not so easy. The 2017 model has improvements over the 2016 and people have not been able to get all the electronics involved to work. The 2018 is different too, now has ACP and AA integrated. Not wireless though.

So your original was stupid.

Easy enough if you know what you are doing and you don?t need training for that, just know what you are doing.

Only the ones that don?t know what they are doing.

No - ODB2 is a standard - all cars tell you exactly the same thing from the standardized error codes.

You are BS ing the wrong guy. I am not only a trained mechanic but I TRAINED mechanics

The best mechanics have had training

They aren't? Drive a Chevy.

The AVERAGE age of the American fleet is over 12 years. Back in the sixties a 10 year old car was he exception and many were junk at 6. Today most cars will go 200,000 miles, and quite a few go

300,000

I'm outa here.

NOT. That's why I was there teaching them

ASE Certified isn't an apprenticeship or even a real training standard

I can diagnose that one from here. It had a double ballast resistor on the firewall and one of the resistors was intermittent. It provided power to the coil when you cranked the engine. If it fired when you released the key it started. If it didn't, it didn't. It ran on the other half of the resistor. COMMON problem back then (that, as you know, flummoxed a LOT of "mechanics" who did not understand the system.Back then it was a $5 part. I always had 2 mounted on the firewall so an on-the-road fix took about 20 seconds. A couple years later the system was re-designed to not need that resistor

What an ignorant ass

I'd bet money on it. What state are you in?

He means stop making payments and send it back

Not. Under warranty they are REPLACED with NEW parts.

Off warranty SOME are remanned - more are replaced with used. (and THAT is a very comnplex procedure too - - -

I bet nobody fixes them. If it is on warranty they eat it, if it is off warranty it is yours. As far as I know, they are a FRU.

Clare pointed out the shift manager makes 73 cents more an hour than the guy who just started this morning. That is not working "fine".

Some of these cars have software problems they can't seem to fix. My FILs old Cadillac (2017 or so) had a bug in the power management they couldn't fix. If you parked it more than a week the battery was dead about half the time. After 4 or 5 swings at it They gave him a trickle charger and sent him home. He escalated up through GM, since he was a GM retiree and knew folks big in the union. They ended up giving him a trade deal on a 2019 he couldn't refuse. Basically it was a swap and he just paid the taxes. The new one is OK.

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