OT What was wrong with Trent Franks asking his staff members if they
would be maternal surrogates? That is, if she would handle the
pregnancy for him and his wife?
All they have to do is say no. Surely no one would expect to be fired
for saying no, any more than if he asked to borrow a million dollars. In
fact since there were two of them, we can check with the first one and
see if she was demoted or fired. And I've never heard of forcible
And while it is called "sexual reproduction", there would be nothing
normally called a sex act involved.
Is this some sort of Puritan nonsense?
On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 6:37:50 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
I thought similar. I think it's a bad idea to be asking people who
work for you to be a surrogate. It is bizarre and I can see it leading
to all kinds of potential problems, particularly if they said yes.
But on the other hand, I don't see how in the world this turns into
some kind of horrific scandal that requires him to resign. It's
possible there is a lot more there which we don't know about.
This whole thing is very sketchy, as to what is sexual assault, where
something goes from making a pass once at someone at work, to where it
really is a hostile work environment. And people who may have done
something wrong at some point are now kind of bucketed together with
Bill Cosby and Weinstein. When the first allegations against Franken
came out, I thought what he did wasn't something that warranted his
resignation. That pic of him staging for the camera, clearly pretending
to grab the actress's tits, when he was a comedian, wasn't any kind of
real assault. Yet people
went after him like it was the same as what Weinstein had done. AT that
point I thought it was very unfair to Franken. As
more accusations came forward though, including ones that were while
he was a Senator, then it evolved into something serious. Franken
had a very good point in his resignation speech. How ironic it is
that Franken is resigning, while Trump who bragged about his assaults
on video tape is in the WH? And Moore, who has so many identical
accusations against him that show a pattern of a 35 year old man
at the very least chasing after teenagers, that it's impossible to
believe they are all liars, is the GOP
candidate for Senate in AL, supported by both Trump and the GOP?
It really is a bizarre and sad new world. In effect, the Russians
are winning, we're destroying ourselves from within.
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 8 Dec 2017 07:55:39 -0800 (PST), trader_4
He said that he was used to the topic and forgot that not everyone is.
And I can see that. Like a doctor who might think nothing of discussing
a bursting puss-filled something with a non-medical type, even at the
dinner table. So I can almost figure how one or even two employees
would be flustered if he brought it up. I think they're stupid for not
getting over it in an hour, or at most a day or two.
But what I don't get is the others in Congress not being able to see
You're right, but otoh, he knew them and, I presume, knew they had good
health habits, and he also knew how little he was paying them, and
maybe he intended to have her quit (and work somewhere else part of of
the 9months) and make more money in total when you add in what he was
We havent' heard if he ever did this and if he ever got a child. Wikip
says he's 60 and has 2 children but no details.
A friend of a friend I met had a wife who couldn't have a child, or
something like that, and they said they couldn't find a doctor to do
artificial insemination, so they did it themselves, collecting the semen
and pouring it in her with a turkey baster, and it worked the first
time. By the time I met them, the kid was a year or two old and all 5
were happy with the plan.
One I hadn't heard of before is that Moore tried to** pick up a 14-year
old who was waiting in the courthouse while her mother was at a custody
**I didn't hear the exact verb. I don't know how much success he had.
And while there are a few 14y.o.s who look older, most look just as
young as they are.
On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:18:38 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
IDK how you missed that one. It was the first one that started the whole thing. The rest told similar stories, that Moore was chasing them when they were teens and he was in his 30s. Plus others who say they knew of his chasing them at the mall, etc.
On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 11:06:05 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
I think the story was Moore approached the two of them while they were
waiting outside the courtroom and chatted them up. Then when the mother
had to go inside, Moore offered to stay and sit with the 14 year old.
Which is weird too, because at 14 they aren't a kid anymore and certainly
could be in a courthouse by themselves.
Meanwhile the other woman with Gloria Alred blew up. She now admits
that she added the last part to the yearbook writing that says the place
and adds the DA. Anytime Alred shows up, I immediately want to puke.
And all the tears from that 55 year old woman about Moore from 40 years
ago looks fake too. It's hard to know who to believe. But with Moore
there are so many women, all telling the same stories, plus other people
who say they knew he was chasing teens at the mall, etc. You'd think
somebody would have a pic or two by now. But maybe he was smart and
careful not to have any pics taken.
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 08 Dec 2017 13:18:27 -0500, micky
Lafferty said she was struck by what she called the hypocrisy of
Frankss conduct: Offering someone five million bucks is not a
discussion of surrogacy, she said Friday. Trent Franks says that hes
a Christian and a conservative. Im a Christian and conservative. What
he did offends me. Its not Christian, and its not conservative.
Franks, 60, said in his statement that he and his wife have long
struggled with infertility. After having twins with a surrogate, the
couple sought additional children, he said.
She seems to know exactly what is Christian and what isn't. I wonder h
ow she knows that.
Offering someone five million bucks is not a discussion of surrogacy,
Then what is it?
Very bizarre for sure. How stinking rich is this guy? And why pay
that amount when you can get someone for a fraction of that? And if
that is all there is to it, what does it say about the character of those
women? They ruin him over that? It wasn't a smart idea, as has obviously
just be proven, it;s weird, but it's not assault, harassment, etc.
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 9 Dec 2017 09:50:36 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
Ah, good question. I think most of it is in bitcoins. <g>
I thought the going price for a surrogate, the amount that goes to the
woman, was up to 50,000 dollars (plus medical expenses, of course.) and
that can really help someone through 2 or 3 years, but 5 million should
last a lifetime.
"He offered her $5 million if she would conceive a child, thats what
she told,", so maybe he suggested she be the mother, maybe she was
good-looking, or tall, of something he liked. But I'm sure that could
be negotiated and he'd go get a donor egg. IIUC, those aren't hard to
Still, I can see turning it down, but I can't see complaining about it.
She was lucky he asked her. He could have asked everyone else first.
"Everyone knows the other's verse". That is, everyone can say what
verse** in the Bible the other guy is violating, but they usually don't
know which verse he himself is. **Though she doesn't say which verse
this violates. "Be fruitful and muliply"? That couldn't be it.
Wikipedia doesn't say how he got his money, and that's unusual for them.
The radio said he had lots.
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I understand turkey basters are popular with the Marty has two mommies
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In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 09 Dec 2017 16:32:10 -0500, micky
I was going to drop this but it's interesting.
Wikip says "In 1984, while working as an engineer for an oil and gas
royalty-purchasing firm, he began his political career by running for a
seat in the Arizona House of Representatives," and that's all it says
I was half-asleep when the radio said something about how much money he
had, but this page
says in 2009, a year after his first 2 kids were born, he was worth 12
million, and by 2010, 34 million. That's a lot, but $5 million is
still a big part of it.
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