OT - Need Source for Long Elevator Bolts

re: Drag differential showing up.

Our timers measure the differential between the cars crossing the finish line to the thousandth of the second. I have seen dead heats where the timers read 0.000. Average speeds for most tracks are 24 -

28 MPH but races are determined by the time differential between the 2 cars in a heat, not by top speed. Races are run in a 2-phase lane- swap, wheel-swap format to ensure that the only factors are car and driver, not a faster lane or faster wheels. The total differential between the 2 phases is what determines the winner of the heat.

While a single bolt head might not make a full 1/1000 of a difference,

2 bolt heads might. Or maybe 1 bolt head and an axle spindle out of alignment. Every little bit matters, and it's the sum of all the little things that you have to be concerned with. Trust me, if you know what you are looking for, you can see the differences between a well built car and one that was put together per the plans but without the attention to detail required.

Let me give you another example: When the cars are inspected prior to the World Championship races in Akron OH, you will either get a fancy VIP sticker on the nose of your car (meaning your car was 100% legal) or a repair sticker that tells you what is wrong and how long you have to fix it. These repair stickers are your standard 1" x 3" mailing labels. Years ago, after you repaired the car, they removed the repair sticker while VIP stickers were left on as a "badge of honor".

One team took their VIP'd car to a wind tunnel and ran a test, at average speeds, and proved that the VIP sticker caused air turbulance at the front of the car. In essence, Akron was causing *harm* to the cars that were sent to Akron ready to race. Based on that test, they now leave the repair stickers on the cars also. Like I said, every little bit matters.

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DerbyDad03
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DerbyDad03 wrote: ...snip long story of precision derby cars... which is basically why I lost interest in it even as a kid way back when--it wasn't we kids who had anything to do w/ it...

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dpb

re: it wasn't we kids who had anything to do w/ it

I won't speak to how other families deal with it, but my kids are involved in every step of the building and tuning process. As long as it's safe, they're getting dirty right next to me. When they were younger they watched me use the power tools and when they were old enough they jumped right in. All along the way, they sand, wrench, paint and do whatever is needed to build them the best car possible.

I've got pictures of my 13 YO son cutting steel rod on a miter saw and my 14 YO daughter can use a torque wrench, belt sander, etc.. All of my kids are familiar with the itch of fiberglass, the smell of bondo and know what happens if you apply too much paint.

These experiences go well beyond Derby. Years after helping me build his World Championship car, my son wanted to modify a cart he used for his lawn mowing "business". Since he knew what could be done with metal and the proper tools, he came to me one day and asked me to help him make bracket to make the cart easier to tilt. If I had just put him in a Derby car and sent him down the hill, he might never of even had the idea of modifying his cart. Our success has also shown them how important attention to detail is. Not only do we build winning cars together, but we talk about how the things we see while racing apply to all aspects of life.

This year it's back to Akron with my daughter to try for another World Championship in a car that she has as many hours building as I do.

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DerbyDad03

I know... I was just yankin' your virtual chain. Truth is I never heard of elevator bolts until this thread. But upon seeing the link, I realize I have seen them before.

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Woodie

Consider my chain virtually yanked.

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DerbyDad03

Can you counterbore for the nut on the *other* end?

Henry Bibb

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Henry Q. Bibb

re: Can you counterbore for the nut on the *other* end?

No. Bolt needs to go through some steel plates with enough exposed thread for a washer and nut.

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DerbyDad03

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