OT: Flex fuel vs regular

I figure e85 would have to be $.70 cheaper to break even on fuel cost on my truck.

Greg

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gregz
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It's the "Junk Science" politicians use to show the citizenry that they're doing something. Since they can't fix the real problems, they use Junk Science to fabricate problems then throw a ton of taxpayer money at to make the taxpayers believe they're saving the country. I'd rather the politicians didn't do anything. O_o

TDD

Reply to
The Daring Dufas

You'll come back and update this after you've actually tried farming, right?

Reply to
Wes Groleau

I am living in a corn & soybeans state, and I am only aware of two stations in my county that have E85.

Reply to
Wes Groleau

Inflation adjusted prices for food crops are fairly low. Chart here:

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The last couple years have been unusually good for farmers in my area. Cash corn prices got close to $7/bushel this summer for a short time. People in farm related businesses all know the bubble will burst. Ethanol was first sold as gasohol in the mid 70s here in Nebraska. That's the first I saw of it anyhow.

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Dean Hoffman

You are better off buying a FLEX FUEL VEHICLE...

If crude is ever cut off by say a mid east war the ability to use all fuels would be good....

currently coal and natural gas can be converted to gasoline..... we really need a mid east war to finally get us energy indenpendence

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bob haller

Do I remember correctly that the Oh Bomb Us administration has shut down a lot of drilling, mining, wells, etc? That said, what we need for energy independance is less socialist command economy government dictating, and prohibiting of energy production.

I've also heard that Nebraska is an example of free market and private capitalism in action.

. Christ> You are better off buying a FLEX FUEL VEHICLE...

the ability to use all fuels would be good....

to gasoline..... we really need a mid east war to finally get us energy indenpendence

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Reply to
Stormin Mormon

Some of the increase from the last couple of years was also tied to weather, to a certain extent. We have had a few ethanol plants closed and mothballed over the last year because of high corn prices. Which is sorta ironic when you think about it.

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Kurt Ullman

It's largely a lie that the govt subsidizes the oil industry. They pay taxes just like any other corporation. What is claimed as subsidies, for the most part, are these oil companies using tax laws that are available to all US companies.

Ethanol on the other hand receives something like a $1 per gallon subsidy, without which the product. would be totally unviable. It's comparing apples to oranges.

Also the oil industry hasn't driven up the price of grains so that it's caused a large increase in food costs. That is like another tax on the American people, indeed even on the starving people in Africa.

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trader4

So, every time I drive my car, I'm starving the kids in Africa? I feel so awful, now.

. Christ>

Reply to
Stormin Mormon

The problem with farming is the price is high when the yeild is low, and low when the yeild is high, so it all averages out to mediocre profits year over year. I live in a large agricultural area - mostly family farms of 100 to 400 acres - and I know quite a few "comfortable" farmers, a few relatively rich farmers, and a lot os scraping by farmers. When they retire and sell the farm, they are all reasonably well off to quite rich - but the next generation getting into farming is strapped with EXTEMELY high debt.

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clare

Live poor, die rich. Farmers are similar to royalty. You have to be born one or marry one to be one. A British lady said there is another route to being a royal but I can't remember what it is. Maybe investing lottery winnings into a farm would be another route. The farmers I know all grew up on farms and are taking over as their dads retire. The average farmer in Nebraska is 56 years old. The smaller operations get absorbed into the larger ones. It didn't make economic sense for my brother or I to farm. My parents rented the farm to a neighbor. We're blessed with irrigation here so the drought probably actually helps the farmers' checking accounts.

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Dean Hoffman

More like twice that.

Reply to
krw

More ND and SD. They're booming, despite the Obama depression.

Reply to
krw

We've heard the same here in Nebraska. Supposedly, Walmart had to send some of their people from here to the Dakotas in shifts. They can't keep help up there. Construction crews here are also supposedly having hard time keeping help. The money in the Dakotas is too good. Unemployment in rural Nebraska runs 5% or less much of the time anyhow.

Reply to
Dean Hoffman

Imported ethanol from countries like Brazil would be cheaper so the government conveniently put on something like a 50 cent a gallon import tax.

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Frank

Per snipped-for-privacy@attt.bizz:

Can somebody explain that one?

I like to think that I hold both parties in equal contempt, but as far as I know the current mess brewed on the Repub's watch - during which they had control of the presidency for eight years and congress for six years.

Is there a difference of fact here?

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(PeteCresswell)

There's a difference between family farms and corporate farms. There really aren't that many family farms left. Some farms do quite well...not so much from raising livestock or crops, but from collecting farm subsidies. Michele Bachmann's family farm is a profitable farm subsidy operation.

Reply to
Moe DeLoughan

Yeah, and the Iowa Republican Party has a plank supporting ethanol-blended fuel in their platform. It's hugely profitable for agribusiness, so of course they support it. It sucks for everyone else.

Reply to
Moe DeLoughan

Nope. But being corrected will never stop you from gleefully repeating falsehoods, so keep it up. It's what all the best so-called Christians do, isn't it?

The truth is, the US is producing more oil than it has since the

1970s. We're producing so much, our supply exceeds our demand, so we're exporting a great deal of it. Notice the effect all the plentiful oil has had on gas prices? That's right - not much at all. Worldwide demand helps keep the prices up, and when it drops below what the oil producers/refineries want, they cut back on production in order to push the price back up. Ever notice that the refineries always seem to time their offline maintenance during times of peak demand, or when the seasonal changeover already impacts supplies? Do you think they're stupid by scheduling that work when it will have maximum impact on supply? No, they're not dumb, they're clever. They're playing the market.

Hello, dumbass right-wing parrot. Please provide at least three specific examples of "socialism" that the government is "dictating". And what additional energy production, pray tell, do we need when we are already producing more than we consume?

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Moe DeLoughan

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