OT Beef at the supermarket. butcher shop?

[dpb]

On 1/28/2014 12:12 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: ...

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There isn't any that proves that particular point. The difference is that much organic is grown in small plots more local and is therefore not picked green (or a least not nearly _as_ green) and so therefore has more natural sugars and flavors for simply that reason.

It's a conundrum -- there's no way to produce food for 300 million all in their own backyards for anything approaching affordable cost for most

-- just can't happen. Except in greenhouse, you're not growing a tomato in Minnesota just now. Not everybody has a greenhouse. Hence, CA and FL and AZ and all have to grow enough for almost all and that takes varieties that can handle transport and shipping delay and all and still at least be round and red when arrive. Sure you could grow 'em in granny's garden and air express each one overnight but that's a little pricey for most.

[Tom Fields]

Right! So you should have a nice big glass of glyphosate with your dinner this evening. Bottoms up!

[Terry Coombs]

Home grown eggs are even better - and cheaper . The only down side is that boiled *really* *fresh* eggs don't peel worth a crap .

[philoÂÂ]

My wife and I go to Whole Foods. For one thing, it's the closest grocery store to our house. Since the food is high quality, there is little waste and therefore not really (much) more expensive and a regular store.

[krw]

Probably. At least here, you can order anything you want. It might take a day to get it but the butcher might be able to cut it for you. This would only be for the better quality meats, though. Much is packaged off-site. It's all highly dependant on the store. Some have better meat departments than others. Don't expect much at WallyWorld.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I thought we were talking about meat.

Much organic is grown in China and shipped to the U.S. No taste advantage, and I'm dubious whether it's actually grown organically.

Cindy Hamilton

[dpb]

Oh, I thought they orientation had shifted, sorry -- any and every diet has some affect whether detectable or not. Milk from cows allowed to pasture on winter wheat is one very common case almost everyone should be familiar with altho these days probably are very few who could identify the cause of the particular flavor because they're so far removed from the farm to have no reference point by which to know.

The prime thing on meat I thought most were so hung up over was the possible carryover of antibiotics or perhaps growth hormones. Neither is detectable by taste test by anybody. There may well be other diet factors that change quality plus the inherent variability of one carcass to another that gets identified by association and it's that variation that gets the guilt by association.

[dpb]

They've found a niche and exploit it well for their benefit...it's the Beemer phenomenon.

[dpb]

I'm not concerned by Roundup ready beans or other crops the least as far as the effect on food value/safety. That will have to alter our practices for preventing development of resistant weed species is a real effect. But, while that is so, the furor raised negates the fact that similar mutations have occurred for thousands of years and there's really no difference other than it's possible to select particular traits more quickly than by successive breeding or manual hybridization.

I _do_ wash produce even from own garden prior to eating it... :)

[micky]

I didnt' mind that he didnt' answer the question.

Because people thought "red meat" was bad for one's health??

[dpb]

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And, specifically, the "GMO-free" got me thinking that way but I suppose you mean no Roundup-ready 'beans in the feedmix and that kind of thing.

I'll admit that as longtime rancher/farmer on 3rd generation mixed crops/cattle operation it's hard to get a mind around the stuff the "antis" can make up that mighta' coulda' possibly be that has no basis in the actual makeup of plant and/or animal genetics.

Like the fertilizer thing, N is N in the elemental form the atom doesn't "know" nor does the plant from whence it came. It just "is" what it is.

[micky]

I think in China, "organic" means in the fields where the crops are grown, there are no political prisoners buried.

[philoÂÂ]

At least I can walk in there wearing my old clothing.

There is another grocery store in the suburbs I've been to a few times but everyone in there is really dressed up.