Here in extreme SE Iowa we heat both our newish two story home and our
1,200 sq. ft. shop with propane fired high efficiency furnaces. Normally
we contract the winter supply in the fall but this year they wanted
$1.699/gallon so we gambled that it would not go up and possibly go down
and did not contract.
Well, we just got our first winter fill (approx. 300 gallons) and the
price was $1.699 thus so far nothing has changed. OTOH, the real cold
weather is not here yet so there is definitely a chance it will go up in
the near future. :-(
For some reason unknown to me propane is usually less expensive in this
immediate area than it is in other parts of the country. Anyone else got
any current prices from around the US?
Lucky indeed. I paid $3.20 about a month ago and, according to US E.I.A.
1-week old data, average residential propane was at $2.598 on 12/06/2010,
26% up from this time last year (
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/hopu/hopu.asp ) .
Slightly off-topic though: they delivered only 43.4 gallons?
I see... I actually have automatic delivery, too, but they will never come
until they are very extra sure they can fill 300+ gallons. Every bill I
had so far with this company was for $800+ and edging more towards $1,100
this year ...
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I have auto delivery & a 100 gallon tank. They deliver between 32
and 60 gallons every 6 weeks or so.
I've asked for a bigger tank so they didn't have to negotiate my
driveway in the winter and for some reason they'd rather stick with
We also have automatic delivery (the supplier calls it a "keep full"
agreement) but they don't deliver until it gets down pretty low. I
actually have two tanks, 1 - 500 gallon for the house and 1 - 250 gallon
for the shop. Fortunately in the winter I am not in the shop that often
thus the thermostat is normally set on 48 degrees F. In short, the shop
does not use much LP.
When the "organized half" gets home I will have her see if you can find
what we paid the last few years when we contracted it. I must say that
these Midwest prices are great compared to the NE.
No, they aren't. Propane prices are influenced by a number of factors, including
regional demand (ie crop drying), what the dominate energy source in the region
is, how easy it is for industrial users to switch energy sources, whether the
propane (actually LPG as the blend varianies depending on the region) comes from
LNG tankers or local refineries, domestic wells, etc.
Oh- I forgot the taxes and fees-- They bring my $4.19/gal up to
$4.56. but who's counting?
And each outfit gets to set it own profit margin. My guy is in the
middle for this area- but a couple years ago when I was shopping
around, there was over $1.00/gallon difference in price. Same taxes-
same automatic delivery. Same 100gallon tank.
Feasible yes. Practical? Probably not for many people.
I live in a rural area. Some farmers I know did run their pickups
on propane. They also use propane for grain drying and to run
irrigation power units. A very few also had propane burning farm
tractors years ago. That didn't catch on due in part to the
inconvenience of propane compared to gasoline or diesel fuel.
how does an multi-port electronic fuel injected motor convert to propane?
Do they have gaseous injectors that can be controlled by a reprogrammed
ECU? so they retain the emissions control mandated in the US.
or does the conversion forgo all that electronics and go back to
The engines I mentioned earlier were all carburetored. I haven't
paid much attention lately to the propane fueled irrigation engines.
They're still using carburetors, I think. I did find this though:
Farm equipment is pretty much all diesel powered with the exception
irrigation engines and the older, smaller equipment.
These engines don't have all the pollution control crap that vehicles
I was thinking about this recently and realized it's probably a lot hard to do
coversions on modern vehicles than it used to be in the days of float
You used to be able to put a propane "collar" under the carb that would feed the
vapor into the intake and all you needed to do was remove power to the fuel pump
or close the fuel line.
On modern vehicles with computer controlled direct or throttle body injection, I
would think it becomes a huge task to chage fuels.
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