O.T.

[AK]

Someone told me that this really works.

I have struggled with allergies and it's attendant nasal congestion for over 50 yrs.

Nothing has worked.

Has anyone use this?

Regional Allergies: Southwestern U.S. Dr King Natural Medicine 2 oz Liquid

Thanks, Andy

[AK]

Both articles were done in 2018.

If it was so bad, why is it still on the market?

Just asking as I am a retired scientist.

Andy

[Cindy Hamilton]

Two things come to mind:

1. They fixed the microbial contamination issue
2. The FDA has had its funding slashed to much it doesn't have the resources to check everything it should.

Then you should know that homeopathy is pseudo-science.

Cindy Hamilton

[Frank]

I'm a retired chemist and use Cetirizine and Nazacort for allergies.

Not knowing what the ingredients are in the stuff you highlighted, I would not take it. Besides natural products vary considerably in active ingredients. As I had mentioned recently here a pharmaceutical chemist will isolate the active ingredients and if used will present them in purified form in a consistent, optimized dose.

[Dan Espen]

The first listed ingredient is Artemisia absinthium (Wormwood). Nasty toxic stuff.

The second ingredient is Adenosinum cyclophosphoricum. Listed by the FDA as not found to be safe or effective.

This is Homeopathy. That should make you run away.

[rbowman]

As a retired scientist are you familiar with homeopathic dilutions?

[rbowman]

Yeah, but a 24X dilution has about a 50/50 chance of having a molecule of wormwood.

[Frank]

We call it pseudo science.

[Frank]

Part of the concept of homeopathy is that even though that molecule does not remain the substance still retains the memory of it being there );

[rbowman]

I don't reject alternative medicine out of hand but when I dug into homeopathy I smelled an odor reminiscent of swamping out a corral in the spring. I vaguely knew it was about a dilute solution of substances that produced symptoms similar to the problem, but I didn't know exactly how diluted they meant.

Supposedly a little arsenic can be helpful but a tablespoon of water that remembered it had once had a molecule of arsenic in it isn't.

[AK]

Homeopathy when done by an M.D. is effective.

Andy

[Ed Pawlowski]

Yes, so do placebos if you get the prescription strength, not the OTC.

[Dan Espen]

If you have an M.D. using homeoopathy it's sure sign he's lost his mind, otherwise he'd be practicing medicine.

I wonder, a child could read a description of homeopatthy and realize it's total crap. What the hell is with adults failing for this stuff?

WebMD:

They put some crap in water then dilute the water so you don't ingest the crap. Supposedly, the crap leaves it's "healing essence" in the water. Don't ALL adults know that water contains molecules? We know a lot about the molecules, the constituent atoms, and the sub-atomic particles that make up the atoms. There's nothing in there for an "essence" to hang on to.

If there was such a thing as an essence.

[T]

Hi AK,

I have hay fever of biblical proportions. This is a God Send for me:

And there are ZERO side effects.

Before discovering this, I was afraid to enter my customer's facilities do to the explosive sneezing and the rivers of endless snot.

Now, if I feel a sneeze coming on, I take one. I carry then with me in my brief case.

Yet its swamps and marshes will not be healed; they will be left for salt. All kinds of trees providing food will grow along both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. Each month they will bear fresh fruit because the water comes from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be used for food and their leaves for medicine.

-- Ezekiel 47:11-12

[Cindy Hamilton]

So, the water that I drink remembers the piss (animal and human) that used to be in it?

Kewl.

Cindy Hamilton

[AK]

Thanks.

I found a smaller size here so I can see if it works for me.

Andy

[Dan Espen]

How else can you get your MDR of piss essence?

[Dan Espen]

Xanthium is a noxious weed.

Luckily, there doesn't appear to be any xanthium in this "holistic" crap. A quick check shows the ingredients are useless but mostly safe. Well, the primary ingredient (zinc) is a bit dangerous because it's commonly contaminated with Cadmium, a poison. You get all the zinc you need in your diet.

I guess it would never occur to you to use an actual allergy relief medicine. There are a bunch in your supermarket and they all work.

[rbowman]

Xanthium 12 Ingredients Pin Yin English Percentage Cang Er Zi Xanthium 13% Ku Shen Sophora Flavescens 12% Chai Hu Bupleurum 9% E Bu Shi Cao Centipeda Herb 9% Huang Qin Scutellaria 9% Bai Qian Cynanchum Stauntoni 9% Fang Feng Siler 8% Wu Mei Mume 8% Ren Shen Ginseng 6% Gan Cao Licorice 6% Mu Dan Pi (Su) Moutan 6% Wu Wei Zi Schizandra 5%

??? I see xanthium but not zinc.

[AK]

Did it occur to you to read my post?

What part of "nothing" do you not understand.