Dumping the crap back on his driveway or mat is not vandalism if it's not damaging his property. I wouldn't put it on his hot car hood in the middle of the summer, as that may damage the paint, however.
I would also DEFINITELY make sure you've got the right guy beforehand.
snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Nonsense.Damage need not be done for an act to be vandalism.Also,it's unsanitary.It requires cleanup.It's no different than if they toilet papered your car or tree;"no damage",but the police still consider it vandalism.
Hire a farmer with a manure spreader filled with hog manure. Have the farmer drive up to his house and spread the manure all over his house, his porch, and his yard. Four or Five tons of smelly hog manure should make yor point.
Someone did this several years ago at one of the state capitols because of laws being used to harm farmers. They made their point ! :)
Mark
Jim, Jim, Jim. What planet do you live on?
Where I live, Earth, if a person was to call the law about a dog poop issue, they would be ignored.
Hell, you can call in that your car has been stolen, and YOU have to go to the police station to file a report. They won't even come for a stolen car, I really don't think they would come for a vandalism call, unless they were doing a welfare check on the caller to see if they were mentally ill, and doing okay. If they did come to check on things, and found out that you were serious, I am sure you would get the "We'll get right after the culprits......." speech, and the officer/s would have a very good laugh back in the car.
Police don't mess with things like dog poop vandalism. Trust me.
Steve
"SteveB" wrote in news:rLFue.1394$8o.821@fed1read03:
It's too bad your police will not respond to such calls. But whether or not they respond,it STILL is "vandalism". If you videotaped someone doing it,the police could use that as evidence to cite them for malicious vandalism.
As I said, what planet do you live on? With all the road rage, drug use, domestic violence, organized crime, driveby shootings, terrorism and various other random acts of violence, do you still think that vandalism is high up there on the list.
Your planet must be perfect.
Steve
OK, I vowed to myself that I'd stay out of this thread, but I feel compelled to make a point that has very little to do with dog poop and very much to do with the attitude that vandalism is low on the list of things that cops should be dealing with.
I strongly urge you to get yourself a copy of "The Tipping Point" by Malcolm Gladwell and read it cover-to-cover. If you read it with an open mind, then I suspect that when you're done, you'll have a very different attitude about what kind of impact can be made on society's ills by addressing seemingly small problems such as vandalism. Gladwell's thesis, which he defends astonishingly well, is that in fact "small" things like vandalism can have an extremely disproportionate affect on "big" things like crime and public safety.
Much like tort laws.
"Jonathan Kamens" wrote
You must first have some information about me to realize where I am coming from. My daughter is a police officer on the street. My son-in-law is nearing lieutenant grade. I have been a coroner investigator. I have been around law enforcement and officers a lot. I have many friends from high school (class of 66) who were career officers. I have two neighbors and a renter who are POs.
I am just writing some firsthand information that I observe from my dealings with police and police situations. I get a lot of inside info.
I am not poo pooing the idea that vandalism should be tolerated. I know that among people, particularly adolescents, vandalism is a big deal, and can result in a lot of damage that regular citizens must bear the cost of. Vandalism is not acceptable in society. Mainly it is an expression of frustration, despair, hopelessness and anger.
And I am not saying that it is low on the list of things the officers SHOULD be concerned with. I am stating that in overworked departments, it IS low on the list of things officers must deal with. They just have too many other calls for service that are far more critical than vandalism. Robbery, assault, person with a gun, burglary, rape, child abuse and neglect. In our town, there aren't even enough officers to adequately enforced traffic laws, and the place is turning into a demolition derby with citizens being picked at bus stops, sitting at stop signs, driving along, or just walking along the street. And this by people who need to be cited and who need their asses kicked for being such poor drivers. Three school children were killed recently while waiting for a bus. Before that, an infant in its mother's arms killed at a bus stop. And on and on and on. They SHOULD be taking more time on this, they just don't have the time because of all the other calls. Now and again, they do a saturation exercise at a major intersection, but it is mostly PR.
There are just not enough officers because they are dealing with critical situations. They will cite if a citizen makes a complaint for vandalism. But, if one thinks they are doing society a favor by taking up an hours time of an officer in their neighborhood for some dog crap, they are delusional. Outright vandalism is a different thing.
What I am taking exception to is the Pollyannish approach by some posters as to what they think the behavior of responding officers will be. There will be a difference between the officer's behavior from Mayberry to Megalopolis. And books about subjects are just a statement on how things should be. I totally believe that things should be better, but I am locked into a world of reality where things are the way they are, not the way they should be. I totally agree that if people would just do the right thing, this world would improve noticeably in about three minutes.
As with all usenet posts, you just have to take the pertinent information and apply it to your own situation.
One size does not fit all. The situation and civilization where you live is probably totally different than where I am. But, then, in my travels, I have noticed that Smalltown, USA, has many of the same problems as Bigtown, USA.
Reality is nature's way of keeping things straight. For the rest of the people, there's books, liberalism, and playing Pollyanna.
Steve
DJ wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
Got news for ya;the typical police response time is such that calling them for home invasion,rape,arson,and the other crimes only means they will get there in time to write an after-action report and watch the coroner haul off your bodies.It's called "Call 911 and Die".
"Jim Yanik" wrote
But, Jim, this is contrary to all that you have said regarding the evils of vandalism, and the enthusiasm of the police to pursue vandals.
Which one is it?
Steve
Yea, yea. I also have the neighbor on video walking all over my property and his dog pooping on it. That would CLEARLY demonstrate that I am not vandalizing his property at all. I am simply returning his litter. My backyard legal advice makes as much sense as yours, so why don't you just give it a rest.
As an update for you all, I finally got my revenge. I made a bomb collection shortly after I made the original post and had a small paper bag full. I dumped them all out in a small pile dead smack in the middle of his driveway. Broad daylight. I was hoping he saw me and would come out to say something. He didn't. Another neighbor was doing some yard work and we made eye contact. He just put on a ear to ear grin as did I. We never said a word. I'm sure his yard has/had just as many bombs in it.
Since then, I have seen my neighbor walking his dog right past my yard.....
I honestly believe that demonstrating my point is/was far more effective than asking him to stop. He just wouldn't have "seen the problem".
Richard wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
Wrong,as one act of vandalism does NOT make another act of vandalism legal.
Not really.
"Jim Yanik" wrote
Criminently, Jim. Give it a rest! Go get laid. Take a nap. Go bowling. Work on those gutters. Go spank your puppy.
The subject has been beaten sufficiently!
Sheesh!
Steve
Psst. I have a secret to tell you. You don't know jack and are trying to convince everyone that you do. I hope you've, at least, managed to convince yourself that you have 1/2 a clue about the law.
You're as useful as t*ts on a bull. Listen up, now - *PLONK*
So you think that one act of vandalism DOES make another act of vandalism legal?
"Doug Miller" wrote
OMG! Is there a full moon?
AGAIN?
They're starting to form packs..............
Who gives a shit? He solved the problem, didn't he? My GOD.....
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