need help with lawnmower

[Betsy]

In my old neighborhood the best repairperson was a woman. :)

[William Holiday]

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:07:40 -0400, "Betsy" wrote:

[Betsy]

It takes many many many many many more pulls. Then seems to accidentally start just when one doesn't expect.

Could it be the plug?

[Jeff Wisnia]

Premium gas won't ignite any easier than regular gas in a lawn mower engine.

Premium gas has a higher octane rating which means it suffers less preigniting from the heat of compression in high compression auto and aircraft engines.

It'll just waste Betsy's money, Benzette

Jeff

[Amun]

Jeff is right, the difference between regular and premium is minimal.

And to be honest, as most gas stations sell such a small amount of premium gas compared to regular.

The regular is usually fresher and still fully potent. Many times the premium is already weeks old, and slightly dead.

People who have high compression engines that need the premium will know what I mean.

But at the low compressions in a lawnmower it doesn't make any difference anyway. Save the 20 cents and buy the regular.

But you can add a very small amount of gas line deicer (PURE methyl/ethelene hydrate/ alcohol) if you have a bit in the garage. (NOT the rubbing alcohol from you medicine cabinet that already contains water)

But mix it into the gas can as you only need a few drops per lawnmower tank full. (quart)

It helps the gas fire a slight bit hotter and help pass any water/condensation/scale through the carburetor It may not help with your starting, but it can't hurt it.

Then pour the rest of the bottle into your car gas tank.

It may not pay to fix it, but I would bring the lawnmower somewhere else to see if anyone else can locate the problem your neighbor seems to be missing.

It could be, dirt in carb, bad/ misadjusted/weak ignition module, pinched spark plug wire, bent flyweel key, bad plug. But it's impossible to tell from a usenet post.

These things are almost all cheap for parts to fix, but labour could cost $100 or more.

It would help to know if the motor is a briggs & stratton, tecumeth, or some other make, but I'm going to assume Briggs.

Offhand I'd check the spark plug wire is not pinched/cut in the starter-flywheel shroud where it goes out to the spark plug since that was removed shortly before the problems began. (to change the pullcord) Even an experienced person can do this easily if they aren't careful as there is only a slight bend in one spot for the wire to pass through without being damaged

If you can get the mower into the dark, try to start it and watch to see if little faint blue sparks may be going right through the wire to the engine case

Depending on the mower this wire can be part of the coil assembly, or replaceable separately. And sometimes just a bit of black electrical tape/shrinkwrap over the wire can get you going again.

But as already said, this is just an internet guess.

AMUN

[Peter Jason]

Buy a sheep!

[G Henslee]

All of your crappy advice is just a guess. You spelled internet wrong. In your case it's u-n-e-d-u-c-a-t-e-d.

[Red Cloud©]

It sure sounds like your mower has a lot of wear on it, and has lost a little compression. Someone stronger could turn it over faster and get it to start, where a weaker person can't spin it fast enough for that.

rusty redcloud

[Edwin Pawlowski]

Could be, but from what you described yesterday, it sound like low compression. Worn out. Time for a rebuild or a new one.

[sherwindu]

Premium gas has nothing to do with her lawnmower. It is for high compression engines, which lawnmowers don't have. Don't waste you money on this. The key issue is to get rid of any stale gas with fresh gas. Low octane gas is good enough. I wonder if Betsy is just ignoring my suggestions, or she missed my comments?

Sherw> Is it harder then before to pull start or is it just taking more pulls > to start it?

[sherwindu]

Not that it matters for her problem, but gas does not go bad in few weeks under normal conditions. A month or two would be more of a likelihood of such a problem. If she had her gas in the tank for that time period, it could have gone bad. That is why I suggested she put in a product like Stabil just after buying the gas. If her gas is that old, it's too late to protect it, so she should dispose of it and get fresh stuff.

Most gasolines already have about 10% alcohol in them, at least in my part of the USA. If she bought her gas without the alcohol in it, she is better off going to a different gas station who might not have water in the bottom of their tanks, or finding a station that sells gasahol. My vote goes for stale gas, not gas with water in it.

I would recommend a product called SeaFoam, available from most auto stores to treat the gasoline to both clean the carburetor and stabilize the gas (similar to the Stabil product I mentioned earlier). If she did not run the gas out of her engine last season, these additives probably won't work, and she will need to have the carburetor cleaned by a mechanic.

A broken ignition wire is highly unlikely, but not impossible. I would do a more positive test of taking the plug out of the mower, but leaving it connected to it's lead wire. Then set the body of the plug next to a large metal surface of the mower. Pulling the starter cord should then produce a healthy spark at the plug. If it doesn't, she has an ignition problem such as a bad plug, ignition coil, etc.

[iSuspectFoulPlay]

I had a lawnmower (a Murray) last 10 years and the next one lasted 2. They do NOT make them well anymore. Try removing the carb and look for the clogged needle. You should not have to push the primer bulb more than 3-5x.

A can of carb cleaner is 2 bucks. Soak it overnight to remove deposits. Never let the mower come to less than 1/4 tank of gas.

Check your oil level too... many mowers have a low-oil cutout switch which won't let it start or run if the oil level is too low. But do not overfill your oil either.

Betsy wrote:

[Betsy]

I'm not ignoring anyone. Thanks for any help you've offered. I bought a can of starter spray last night, and next time I need to cut the grass, I'm going to try it.

[sherwindu]

Well, it seems like you are listening to the wrong people.

Starter spray might get your mower started, and then again, it may not. It is certainly not a long term fix, and using it repeatedly can damage your mower. Did you check the other things like the air filter, spark to plug, bad gas? If you can't do those things, it's time to take it in for service. If your engine starts with the starter spray, you can pretty much rule out the spark plug and electronics, and concentrate on the fuel quality and air filter.

Sherw> I'm not ignoring anyone. Thanks for any help you've offered. I bought a

[Betsy]

Thanks.

[Amun]

connected to it's

plug. If it doesn't,

The whole part of the gas was in passing, but not even an issue here.

Since the OP never did say what make the engine is, all of us are guessing

But as the original post said the lawnmower never had any problems.

Then the rope broke and was replaced.

Then it ran good for a while, then later acted up

On newer Briggs motors you have to pull the whole flyweel cover/shroud off the get to the rope. If you look at the spark plug wire it comes off the coil, and just sits in one little bend between the flywheel shroud and the block.

When putting the cover back if the wire is in the wrong spot it gets pinched.

And may not cut through right away but the mower vibration finishes it off. A bit of moisture, and no spark

Then the spark may jump to the block rather than going to the plug. if only the odd weak spark makes it to the plug, it will be hard to start, but may still fire up if pulled fast enough

It's only a guess, but it would cause all the symptoms that were described

AMUN

[Betsy]

That sounds pretty plausible. It is a B&S engine, & I did basically have to take it apart to replace the starter rope. I guess I need to take it apart again to see if I pinched something?

[Amun]

No need to take anything apart yet.

Look at where the spark plug wire goes back to the engine.

There is a very small "outward bend" in the flywheel shroud where the wire should pass through.

If the wire is not there, pull off the cover and check the wire for ANY possible damage.

AMUN

[Douglas F.]

Next time you take it in, try starting it in front of the super tech to show how you can't start it. Is there a choke on it? If so, try choking it for a couple of cranks and then crank with no or half choke.

[Betsy]

Oh, believe me, I already did that. After many pulls I did get it started by pushing it away from me as I yanked. My arm still hurts. I don't think I'd have been able to start it at all if he hadn't already gotten it started. And as soon as I got it home it wouldn't cooperate again--took almost 30 pulls to get it started. Like I said, my arm still hurts.