Florida allows this "fence" to be a screen enclosure. I suppose, once
they get the bus away from the service drops, they can just string
screening over the roof ribs.
If the ladder was folded up with a latch 53" high , they could even
argue the access was more than 53" above ground and compliant.
The other open question would be bonding and GFCI protection. The pump
would require a twist lock plug if it was within 5' of the "above
I friendly electrical inspector could help them make this compliant
fairly easily. I suppose there is some local pressure making this
What happens is there is a nightclub fire and many people die, some kid
drowns, someone gets electrocuted and dies needlessly...
Then there is public "outrage" that something should be done to prevent
these things from happening again...
Then they come up with new building codes. The inspectors enforce them.
The codes are there to protect YOU and YOUR family! You're barking up the
wrong tree getting mad at city inspectors. Might instead try the "outraged
public" who caused these rules to be created in the first place...
Some feel codes are NOT there to protect them or theirs. The codes exist to:
a) To assuage the moral indignation of those who think they know what's best
for others, and
b) Provide faux jobs for those otherwise suitable only for medical
I'm kinda buying in to that philosophy.
One irritating thing about codes is they are like algae, they start
out small and only focus on real problems but over time all the
do-gooders whine incessantly until the city adds more and more stupid
stuff until the code becomes smothering. If you strictly go by the
code here you can't replace an electric outlet yourself or replace
your own water heater but have to have a licensed electrician or
plumber do it for you. It's always "for the children" type of
thinking. it's BS.
I don't follow city codes nor do I get any permits. It is my house, I
paid for it and no government inspector is allowed in my house. But,
I always keep safety in mind when doing a project and avoid doing
projects that extend beyond my walls. Every house has *something*
out-of-code, city inspections are a load of crap.
It's your house as long as you own it but when you sell it to me, or your
estate sells it, now it is MY house and I don't want to inherit all the f_ _
k ups you created 'cause your libertarian ways adn lack of knowledge of even
they most basic construction techniques resulted in.
Not directed at you specifically - just the generic you.
We went through it the other way. Zoning was not even issue because
all the farmers wanted to stay away from zoning so they could sell their
farms for whatever they wanted... until one of them actually did. After
the concert venue was put in the middle of nowhere, the farmers rammed
Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought
of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party.
Oh. Okay, then. In one of the suburbs here, a Muslim group bought some
property to build a new mosque.
The next door farmer put up a sign: "Pig races every Friday night."
There are ways, other than zoning, to encourage neighborly behavior. There
are people who advertise: "My six-gun for your six-pack."
Sadly, too many people in Philadephia cannot afford to hire an
$EXPEN$IVE$ Philadelphia electrician, but also do not know how to properly
repair/replace an existing one going *snap*-*crackle*-*pop*.
The electrician's union (among others) are very strong in Philadelphia.
On the other hand, so many Philadelphians value education so little that
it would be a waste on them to teach basic home electrical repairs in
"home economics" classes.
Any ideas? Force people to graduate high school, demonstrate competence
at reading and understanding a newspaper, sorting mail and finding a known
number room in an office building, writing a basic business letter, and to
demonstrate competence in basic home repairs including basic electrical
ones, in order to keep their gonads?
- Don Klipstein ( firstname.lastname@example.org)
email@example.com (Don Klipstein) wrote in
The alternative is to find someone who works or has recently worked under
a licensed electrician and wants to do some extra work "on the side".
They are usually either trying to learn for a license or don't have some
of the non-electric skills required for a license. They can do the work
efficiently and to code, but of course you'll have to trust them ...
Here in North Jersey we have found someone like that. Of course, knowing
yourself a bit of what the work should involve is a BIG plus.
I remember the days of high-rises without sprinkler systems, reason
being my dad was a firefighter and it upset him to discuss it.
Everything around us, over two stories?, where I live now has been
I didn't think much about codes until I moved into a condo that had been
long neglected (longer story:o). There were no functioning lights in
atrium, stairway or front walk, in spite of there being elderly and/or
vision impaired residents. Busted sidewalk steps. Pot holes in pkg.
lot. Rats in attics.
Since living here , I've seen an owner do major remodel without permit.
He screwed through the cabinet of the microwave he installed (found by
next owner, after first owner doubled his money). Another newer owner
burned out some of the wiring to our unit by nailing new flooring
through the conduit in the unit above ours. Wiring had numerous black
char marks on it and burned through completely in at least one spot. He
blew our breaker three times (the final time) before he paid attention.
When he went on to plumbing, his plumber didn't notice a leak in
something newly installed until I saw water dripping from bathroom
And your point is, exactly, what?
Seems to me the tenants - including you - are willing to put up with a few
inconveniences in return for (no doubt) significantly reduced rent.
George McGovern bought a large motel with the dream of turning it into a
conference center for progressive ideas. He later said that, had he been an
entrepreneur prior to his stint in Congress, he would have been a
Republican! One of his major gripes was the $150,000 it cost to retrofit
each room with sprinklers. It wasn't exactly 'for the children' in that
EVERY room had a sliding glass door that opened into the pool area or
They aren't tenants, from my reading. They are the owners of the
individual units. One of many reasons I'll never buy a condo- you have
to have somebody knowledgeable and trustworthy riding herd on any owners
making internal changes, to make sure they don't trash the place for
everybody. Which means you have non-trivial condo fees forever, to pay
for said individual, in addition to the care and feeding of the common
If I can't afford a stand-alone house in whatever area I need to be,
I'll just store or dispose of most of my excess stuff, and rent an
apartment. (Unless I trip across a house that rents for less than buying
one, of course.)
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