I recently contracted a good friend of mine to re-roof to commercial
buildings in Miami Beach, each one was about $4,000 sq ft. He told me
he was going to get a permit and that he always just calls it in to
not have to hassle with the wait, however this time he did but the guy
forgot to run the permit and the roofs have already been finished. The
GC refuses to pay me without some a closed permit, and I had to pay
the guys for the work, so without the payment for the GC I am in the
hole $24,000. They were two flat roofs, and what he did was put one
ply of the base #75 and the GAF modified Bitumen paper over that, the
fiberglass he said was not needed because the modified paper has
fiberglass in it, he showed me the product approval papers and it also
said that the fiberglass was optional. Now I have heard something
called a Permit after the fact, where I can call for an inspection
even after the work was done. Will this work for me? And how do I go
about getting it, if I do not get the permit and get paid I don't what
I will do. Thanks for any help.
First, my bet is you'll find that your friend is lying and he never
did anything to get a permit. But I would proceed on the basis of
what he's told you. He claims he "called in" the permits and whoever
he talked to screwed up. So, I'd tell your friend the jam you are now
in and tell him you want him to go down to the building dept with you
and straighten it out. Ask him how much the permits cost and how he
paid for them over the phone. That should be interesting. I'll bet
you'll get a lot of BS double talk from your friend. Does your friend
even have the appropriate license, registration, etc that most major
cities require contractors to have?
In any case, if the GC won't pay you, someone is going to have to go
down and fess up, most likely you by yourself. In some cases, you
can obtain approval after the fact. It all depends on the dept, the
inspector, your attitude, and what the work done was. I've heard of
cases where it was given. I've also heard of cases where folks who
didn't obtain a building permit were forced to tear down things like
decks, because the inspector couldn't see the footings, attachment to
the house, etc. The most important thing to do is be nice to the bldg
dept folks, no matter what happens. They may have some sympathy for
You have a case against your friend for whatever amount you wind up
out. Hopefully you have a written contract. Of course, getting a
judgement and collecting it are two different things.
According to the signs along the main roads (AT least two on the toll
road near Homestead and another that I passed on the Overseas Highway
near Marathon) it is a felony in Florida to DO contracting without a
license. According to a local plumber in Marathon, this was in response
to some of the people coming down to help (themselves) after the
hurricanes and most counties get really upset if you don't have
In that neighborhood, it would have to be a sensitive issue. Can't
FORCE the city to enforce code here. AA contractors not welcome :o)
Their work can't pass the first time - stars are not lined up right, no
cirrus clouds on eastern horizon, too much pollen in the air, sonic boom
within the past 3 years - all reasons to red-tag their work. :o)
If your good friend normally calls them in, try to work through
him. He will have more contacts, clout, credulity than you can
come up with. If you contracted the roofing to the GC, why did
someone else do the job???? Something doesn't smell right.
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
Will the last American, leaving Miami please bring the flag? "Miami"
a great view in the rear view mirror. BTDT.
Looks like the corruption of inspections continue. Only a few
inspectors went to jail after Hurricane Andrew.
I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. Thomas A. Edison
I agree, except I think he has credibility. He should call the guy at
the permit office he called before, and maybe he can even predate the
permit. Not that I approve of that, but you probably shouldn't lose
out because a clerk messed up.
On Mar 2, 5:36 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
if you are the owner, i would call the permit office from the general
contractor's office and iron this out, then go there with the
mandatory id and property survey copies or whatever they require, and
cash or checkbook, or charge cards as they may require. here's their
press release below or go to them at link on bottom of:
"Date: April 1, 2004
City of Miami Beach Launches Online Building Permit Processing
-- Provides 24/7 Self-Service Access via the Internet --
Miami Beach, FL -- The City of Miami Beach announces the launch of an
online service designed to provide increasingly higher, more efficient
levels of customer service by streamlining the building permit
process. Available 24 hours a day, seven days a week, the online
building permitting gives building professionals and Miami Beach
residents self-service, online access to permit information and
Miami Beach City Manager Jorge M. Gonzalez said, "We are delighted to
offer this service as another expansion to the City's e-government
services. By expediting the permitting process for building
professionals, the online permitting system helps us to fulfill our
goal of providing first-class service to our community. We are proud
to serve as an example for other communities in using internet
technology to increase efficiency and measurably enhance the level of
service to our residents and businesses."
With a few clicks of the mouse, the online building permitting system
enables users to apply for and receive a final permit electronically
in minutes, without assistance from department staff. The service is
currently available for trade permits (electrical, plumbing,
mechanical, fire sprinkler and fire alarm permits with a valid/issued
master building permit), which account for as much as 50 percent of
the permits issued by Building and Fire departments.
The online system also automates the entire process of scheduling
inspections. A contractor can utilize the system to access a list of
required inspections for a particular permit, request a certain day
for the inspections, and obtain confirmation directly from the
jurisdiction's inspection scheduling database module.
Miami Beach Building Director Phillip Azan said, "We're very excited
about the opportunity to improve our customer service capabilities and
streamline the permitting process. My department is continually
seeking ways to deliver effective building code services while
optimally managing our internal resources and increasing our own
efficiency. The online system is another tool that can effectively
help us to achieve each of these goals."
The City is implementing additional technology initiatives that will
further enhance its ability to serve its customers efficiently. An
Information Kiosk is now available at City Hall (first floor lobby)
with live links to permitting services, property information, and the
City's and Miami-Dade County's websites. Other initiatives will be
launched within the next 90 days including wireless hand-held
computers for field inspectors allowing for instant real-time update
of inspection results and an automated customer flow/queuing
management system that manages customer waiting periods.
For more Information, please contact Evelyn Sanchez, Building
Information Systems Specialist, at 305-673-7000, extension 6751.
Click here for Online Permitting
You have to get a PERMIT to put on a ROOF?
Do you have to get a permit to plant a tree? Paint the shutters? Install a
I bet Miami even has zoning.
Many towns require a permit. Two years ago when I was having the roof of our
warehouse replaced, they needed two. One for the flat roof, one for the
shingled roof. Contractor forgot to get the second one and they were there
to shut him down. I had to run to the town hall with a check.
Get on the phone. You may be able to apply for a permit as usual, have it
issued, then call back three days later to say the work is done if they even
care. In my case, the inspector never inspected anything, just took the
money for the permit. It is a cash cow to pay for the inspector's
Anyone here is only giving you opinion and speculation. Only the town
building office can give you the facts.
Well has anyone heard if the inspectors are really strict on Mimai
Beach??? I was told that the inspector only inspects the flat roof
when its done, because you can not a leave a flat roof exposed while
waiting for inspections in case it rains, is this true???
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