I'm replacing the cast iron 4" sanitary lines to my two bathrooms with PVC.
They drop vertically from each bathroom and turn 90degrees to horizontal
in the basement. This turn is via existing long turn/long sweep elbows.
Is there any problem if I switch these to short turn 90 deg elbows? I'd li
ke to regain the headroom in the basement and keep these pipes within the c
eiling joist level, instead of having these stick out below the (future) fi
nished ceiling level in the basement. I can't find anything in the plumbin
g codes on this. All advice appreciated.
Are you also replacing the vertical sewer pipe that comes down from the two
toilets (and/or are they just coming through from the first floor right
above the basement)?
If so, you can probably switch from 4" cast iron to 3 " PVC. That in itself
may give you more room and may even allow you to use 3" sweep 90 deg elbows.
Yes, I'm replacing all pipes, but I'd rather not tempt fate and reduce overall size of pipe diameter. That would really make me nervous.
Pipe slope is not an issue. I will guarantee to maintain that no matter what I do.
Difference between 4" long sweep and 4" short sweep elbow is definitely noticeable. But other than rule-of-thumb to leave what was there, is there any specific code requirement or plumbing rule that says vert-to-horiz turn MUST be long-sweep.
Here in Ontario, in residential applications, the standard radius
fittings appear to be "the standard" - everything tucks up nice and
neat between the floor joists and the majority of basements are
finished living space, Second story bathrooms and 2 story and split
level houses are more common than bungalows, and the "standard"
fittings mean no bulges or bulkheads are required to fit sanitary
sewer connections. Large radius fittings are occaisionally used for 1
1/2" or 2" sink and laundry drains, but even there, they would be the
exception tather than the rule.. In the vast majority of cases the
WC/Toilet is close to the vertical rizer/stack with no horizontal
bends - the "run" is straight from the flange to the stack, which runs
from the pipes under the basement floor slab straight up to the stack
vent in the roof, with all sink drains etc joining into the vertical
stack as well. Sometimes a house will have 2 stacks if there are
bathrooms at opposite ends of the house.
I quess I HAVE seen the long radius 4" used in horizontal bends under
slabs, when I come to think of it - but even there, they are not
"common". Horizontal bends in the framed flooring
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:06:27 -0700 (PDT), email@example.com wrote:
They used a long sweep for a reason. Remember, solids go down, not just
water. You could raise the toilets on a platform made from 2X8's and
plywood decking, in the bathrooms. That would make for more headroom in
the basement. And just think, when you sat on those raised toilets, you
would really feel like a king sitting on the THRONE !!!!
Yes, but the Queen would definitely not approve of such a solution.
Interestingly, I'm reading alot of the posts on this thread that sound like
suggestions and recommendations, but no one is coming right out and saying
"I'm a licensed plumber and [long-sweep or short sweep] is STANDARD PRACTI
CE or IBC-requirement for plumbing a toilet and so you should do [xyz metho
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:57:28 -0700 (PDT), firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I'm not a licenced plumber, but the last 3 houses I've lived in, as
well as the last 3 houses my father lived in (2 of which he built) all
used the "standard radius" fittings. I've done work in several of the
houses in my neighbourhood - all in the 40 year old range - and they
are also all "standard radius" 4" plastic drains.
I put in a basement bath and laundry in my daughter's house and
finished the basement. I had a licenced plumber work with me on the
under-slab modifications to the sanitary drain - and everything was
done with "standard radius" bends with the possible exception of one
"45" required to connect the laundry under the slab - and that was not
a 4 inch pipe.
That said, this is Ontario Canada, and we do things a bit differently
up here than in most of the USA - like installing electrical service
panels SIDEWAYS more often than upright - particularly when replacing
old fuse panels. (Just had mine replaced last week - and installing it
"upright" would have involved some major rework and/or a bunch of
junction boxes to extend the wiring to reach the bottom of the panel,
while mounting it sideways - with the main disconnect on the left,
didn't require relocating a single wire other than the feed from the
meter base (which was also replaced) needing to be raised 4 inches.
On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 12:29:11 AM UTC-4, email@example.com wrote
ike suggestions and recommendations, but no one is coming right out and say
ing "I'm a licensed plumber and [long-sweep or short sweep] is STANDARD PRA
CTICE or IBC-requirement for plumbing a toilet and so you should do [xyz me
The long sweep elbows offer less resistance to flow. If you're
plumbing up a vent system for a furnace for example, where you're
only allowed a certain number of feet and turns to keep within the
max resistance limit, the long sweep offer less resistance. Same
thing with a water or waste pipe, I'd always use a long if it would
work. But sometimes other factors come into play. IDK what code
On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 10:06:42 AM UTC-5, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
C. They drop vertically from each bathroom and turn 90degrees to horizonta
l in the basement. This turn is via existing long turn/long sweep elbows.
like to regain the headroom in the basement and keep these pipes within the
ceiling joist level, instead of having these stick out below the (future)
finished ceiling level in the basement. I can't find anything in the plumb
ing codes on this. All advice appreciated.
Sewer, soil, or septic...but certainly not sanitary! ʘل͟?
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