If you've ever wondered why rigid electrical conduit is so much like the
pipe used for plumbing, think about what happened many years ago when
folks switched from gas lighting to electric lights. The wire was
probably pulled in through the gas pipes to the converted gas light
*You* try again.
Where does that say "4000+ residential gas explosions per year",
Because that claim is bullshit. That document shows 3380 *fires*
(not explosions) in a *five year* period. Not 4000 explosions. Not
Like I said: you can't something that isn't there.
Are you a personal injury lawyer, by any chance?
They don't differentiate fires with or without explosions. As well all
know, most gas incidents start with a leak and it takes some time before
the gas finds an ignition source, so it is quite reasonable to presume
that most of those incidents included an explosion of some size.
And so you assume that *all* of those fires were "explosions".
Look at the details, specifically:
-- "... in which natural gas was the type of material first ignited", a category which clearly
includes fires that occur while cooking on a gas stove
-- "Leading equipment involved: Stove"
-- "Leading area of origin: Kitchen"
All of which leads to the obvious conclusion that the problem is careless cooking, not the
fuel used for doing so.
Obvious, that is, to anyone who doesn't have an a priori bias and an axe to grind.
Bullshit again. As CLEARLY indicated in the document that YOU cited, most residential gas-
related fires started as cooking fires, not leaks. That document doesn't say anything at all
You mean like the cook turning on the burner? That's included in the category of "natural
gas [is] the material first ignited."
No, it is not at all reasonable to assume that, for the reason I just explained above. And
that's all it is: an assumption on your part, completely unsupported. That document says
NOTHING about explosions, Pete. Nothing at all. It's talking about *fires*.
Your claim of 4000+ residential gas explosions per year is complete bullshit, totally without
foundation. As I noted in an earlier post, if the rate were that high, we'd be seeing one about
every 2.5 weeks here in the Indianapolis area. The last gas *explosion* I remember
hearing about was about a year ago -- a deliberately set insurance fraud. If there really
were over 4000 explosions per year in the U.S., we'd have had at least twenty more since
That. Just. Doesn't. Happen.
That doesn't explain why you said "That document doesn't say anything at
all about leaks." For both LP and nat gas it says the leading contributing
factor was leaks and breaks.
I'm not pushing back (or forth) on the safety of gas, I'm simply trying to
determine if we are looking at the same document because I'm seeing
statements in the doc that I'm reading that don't coincide with what you
This is just a question...
When I light my stove, the gas comes from the burner head, a spark ignites
the flowing (and floating) gas, things go POOF! and the burner is lit.
Isn't that an explosion prior to the fire?
If there is a gas leak in my gas pipe and a sparks causes that gas to
ignite and my kitchen catches on fire, can we not equate the 3280 fires
with "explosions", or at least some of them? An explosion doesn't mean the
house has to be lifted off the foundation.
Seems to me that there are two ways to have fire with a gas leak as the
initial cause: a flame applied directly to the leak or a spark causing a
(minor) explosion POOF! and then a resulting fire. Seems like there would
be more POOFs before a fire caused by a gas leak than direct contact with a
Some of them, probably. All of them? Or even nearly all? Then the document would be
talking about explosions, not fires. Explosions can occur only in a fairly narrow range of
fuel/air mixtures; either little fuel or too little oxygen, and combustion will not be sufficiently
rapid to produce an explosion.
The vast majority of those leaks are going to build a fair amount of
fuel/air mixture before they find an ignition source. The explosion may
range from just blowing out windows, to leveling the home and it's
neighbors, but you can quite reasonably surmise that most of the
incidents include some level of explosion. Fortunately in many of the
cases people recognized the leak and got out before the explosion and/or
fire. The count of course doesn't include the leaks that were contained
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