Increase TOilet GPF

[vjp2.at]

SOmething about moving the ball higher? Any comments, methods for non-ball toilets?

[trader_4]

I haven't seen a toilet with the old ball style fill mechanism in many decades. All the replacement ones I've used for a long time, you can adjust to get it to fill right up to the max. I just replaced one a month ago. So if the current one is unadjustable, that's the solution. Actually I was surprised to find that the new one wastes more water than the one it replaced, which was also a replacement one. I thought that one was a really great design, it had two great features. One was that once filled, it would not let water in again unless the flush handle was cycled. That means that if there is a slow leak at the flush valve, it won't constantly lose water and refill, over and over. It also makes detecting the leaking flush valve very easy, the toilet will be empty and won't flush.

The other feature was it had a little adjustable clamp restrictor on the water tube that goes to the overflow. That's what tops off the toilet bowl to fill it completely after each flush. Bu adjusting the flow you could get it so that it just fills, but doesn't continue to put more water down the drain while the tank is still filling. You adjusted it so the tank and bowl wind up filled at about the same time. Both of those simple features saved water. The new one doesn't. IDK if they have the previous kind still available, but I had bought that one at HD or Lowes, it wasn't hard to find, but this time HD didn't have it.

The new one is a different design. They went from the old brass ball float, to a plastic float that rode up a column which is what I had, to this design now that doesn't have any visible float at all. I think it may be quieter than the one it replaced, but it takes a little longer to fill.

[TimR]

I go through flush valves pretty fast, the water here eats them. Do you remember the brand of that one? Sounds worth trying.

[trader_4]

I think it was probably Fluidmaster, looked very much like this:

This one has the adjustment for the bowl refill, but doesn't seem to have the lockout so it won't refill if the flapper valve leaks.

[micky]

What's a non-ball toilet? This isnt' twitter, you can use more than 140 characters.

[Scott Lurndal]

I used to sell fluidmaster in the 1970's, they've been around for quite some time.

[Slevin]

A toilet used by people with bonus holes?

[Thomas]

Whether you bend the ball rod or adjust the fluidmaster via turning the screwed unit, the highest water volume you will get is when the tank water it near the top of the overflow tube that your flapper is most likely connected to. Full is full. The fluidmaster type has a long screw along the float. That moves the float up or down. Move it up.

[vjp2.at]

Toilets with a ball on a rod that moves with water level

Yes, I concur, I've been abused by using hacker's keyboard with stylus on my snarkbone

[Bob F]

Just hold the flush lever down. It is not rocket science.

[Ed P]

That is a good thing too

Sometimes, astronaut poop is brought back to Earth for scientists to study, but most of the time, bathroom waste – including poop – is burned. Poop is vacuumed into garbage bags which are put into airtight containers. Astronauts also put toilet paper, wipes and gloves – gloves help keep everything clean – in the containers too. The containers are then loaded into a cargo ship that brought supplies to the space station, and this ship is launched at Earth and burns up in Earth’s upper atmosphere.

If you’ve ever seen a shooting star, it might have been a meteorite burning up in Earth’s atmosphere – or it might have been flaming astronaut poo. And the next time you have to pee or poop, be thankful that you’re doing it with gravity’s help.

[micky]

Assuming the new one uses the same innards as the one one is replacing, you can do that without turning off the water. If the tank is full it will probably just bubble up through the water, and if the tank is not full you can do it quickly while holding something over the tube so the water doesn't get too high, and falls back into the tank.

I dont' think I got a drop of water on the floor.

[TimR]

That's a very good argument for buying the same model. Some of mine can do that but most can't.

I change flapper valves without turning off the water, I just hold the flush valve closed with a rubber band.

[micky]

That's a good idea. I can't remember what I've done. ;-(

[Bob F]

I just turn off the water, if I have the needed 2 seconds to do it.

[TimR]

Sure, if your angle stop still works. Most of us have to walk out to the curb with the shutoff wrench and keep an eye out for the city truck to swing by.

[trader_4]

To flush it needs a large volume of water all at once. Adding a slow additional flow at the end isn't going to do much to push waste down.

[Scott Lurndal]

It's a good idea to turn off the toilet angle stop once a year anyway, just to ensure that the angle stop doesn't calcify the valve into immobility. And don't leave it open all the way, leave some wiggle room.

[Mark Lloyd]

[snip]

Yes. This is also a good idea for gas shutoffs. If you have a standing pilot light you might want to not turn it off all the way.

As for leaving wiggle room, some shutoffs leak when between off and on.