I share a well with my neighbor we have 2 dwelling condo. My unit concest of
myself, and her unit has 3 people as of now. We share the following which are
all connected to my electric
Meter... well pump, water conditioner system, electric base board heater that
keeps the pump room warm during the winter all in a room in my garage. Also a
sprinkle system that shared on the front property. It's a 50/50 shared property.
She had nationally agreed with hand shake when she bought the unit next to me
back November 2014, I came up with a charge $ 50.00 which she agreed and was
paying this till past May 2015 she stopped paying her monthly obligation To
me. I was willing to drop the price down, she putting up a fight. She is
reneging On everything, I had no choice put to seek legal advice and the issue
is still not resolved. She wanted to use a kill- a- watt gizmo in my garage, I'm
Not her landlord to be checking each day that this gizmo is functioning Right,
and again given her the convenience Every month timeing this and that off my
electric bill. I think not... It's not the long term solution, especially if I
want to sell my unit no one wants to be involved with a gizmo. Then my
neighbors chopped up with a internet chart from Runstone Electric Association
Alexandra M,N from 2014, We live here in New Jersey not M,N. The chart says
it varies from family to family. She only wants to pay $ 15.00 a month for her
Calculations We're wrong from that chart, also there was no mention how much a
sprinkler system runs on electric, my neighbor has no idea.... I think the best
solution would be a second well... Do you have any other ideas, well can be
costly, she would have to pay half since it's a shared property..
You should be talking to her, not to us. We
don't even know what you pay for electricity.
$250/month? More? Less? Where I live $50/month
for what you describe seems very high. My last bill
was $47. (Though we don't leave things on when
we're not using them; we don't have AC or
microwave; we have gas for heat and stove.)
$15 sounds about right to me. If I had to guess I'd say
you were gouging them. But I'm not in your condo
association and don't know the details. What if $15
is not enough and it should be $20? Who cares?
$5/month. You're thinking of paying a lawyer to take
it to court over that? It sounds to me like you and
the neighbor need better communication.
On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 9:11:00 AM UTC-4, Mayayana wrote:
If it's just the operating costs, I agree. But who pays
if the pump needs to be replaced? The well stops producing?
The sprinkler system needs maintenance? If all those are
treated as split costs if and when they occur, then $50
a month for electric to run what's on that list does sound
like a lot of money. I would also hope the electric heater
is just keeping the temp reasonably above freezing.
I wouldn't think the total operating cost for both units
is $50 a month, except maybe in the coldest winter months
when the electric heater is running.
Killawatt thing would solve it, but you'd have to do some
temporary rewiring to get those loads on it and probably have
to do them one at a time. The sprinkler system controller
is negligible, the well pump part of that is what matters.
Interesting that this was in place and nothing in the closing
documents address how it's going to be handled? It's just
a very bad arrangement. Even if it's spelled out, it's still
ripe for trouble, as he's learned.
The well here is on separate meter and during summer months can reach
nearly $200 if sprinklers are run significantly and even during winter
$50 isn't unheard of. So on average that might be about right here
altho I've not totaled up for any number of years to see what a
long-term average might be. Of course, there's a pretty sizable yard
area and garden here so it's likely a larger usage and that's total not
just half, but may not be as far out of line as one might
think...particularly if count something for the maintenance going
forward, etc., ...
But it is a nightmare arrangement.
Neighboring place up the road a ways sold off a corner of the ground
around the homestead (farm house and associated outbuildings corral
area, etc., the original dairyman who built the place died and the widow
kept the farm ground but had sold the roughly 20A); the new buyer
cleverly made sure the boundaries included the well; the seller wasn't
wary (and apparently either just did the deal himself or had an equally
bonehead lawyer) and let it go that way.
Within a month of moving in, the new guy cut the line serving the other
property off and that was that...the original owner ended up drilling a
On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 10:05:55 AM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
A 1hp pump runs about 7 amps, ~1700 watts. Using 13 cents/kwh that's
22 cents an hour. Water 5 hours and it's $1.10 Assuming you water
3 times a week, that would be $3.30, or $13 a month. If you watered
10 hours at a time, it's still $26 a month. I don't see how you get
near $200 unless it's a much bigger system. Given that it's a condo
with a shared well, seems the watering would probably be closer to
the $13 to $26 a month. And that's for the whole thing.
The heater could be running more than that, but it's for just a few
months. Also it's probably not too much for the heater, because he
says it's a room in the garage, so I'm thinking it's more like closet
That's for sure. It could work OK if you have a reasonable neighbor
and the relationship doesn't go south for some other reasons, etc.
Even then it could lead to disagreement, one wants to water every day,
the other 2x a week, etc.
But for sure if ownership changes on either side, who knows who
the new owner will be. Clearly this special arrangement should be
spelled out, probably in the closing documents for both units.
I would suspect that this shared well was probably added after the condos
were originally built and sold.
On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 11:17:23 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
Actually, on second thought, I think my numbers are high. A 1hp, 240V
motor pulls about 7 amps, but part of that is reactive current, so
it's less than 1700 watts. If you just did a 100% efficient conversion
from 1 hp to watts, it would be just 750W. The motor isn't 100%
efficient, but it's not a resistive load either, so somewhere in
between, maybe 1000 watts is more reasonable? If so, then using my
previous numbers, it would 13 cents an hour or 65 cents to water the
lawn for 5 hours. Do it three times a week, it's ~ $8 a month.
Ten hours of watering, 3 times a week for a month would be ~$16.
Unless I'm missing something here....
Plus 1 - In an arrangement such as this ALL expenses need to be
calculated. Some may be fixed (heat to prevent freezing in that room)
others will be variable, e.g amount of water pumped for the unit with 3+
vs. your unit, etc.
You say you need legal advice and I would agree. Problem is you won't
get it here. Contact an attorney NOW, before you do anything else, and
get his/her advice. Do NOT disconnect the neighbor without checking
first with the attorney.
Expense? Sure but the MOST expensive question you can ask your attorney
is "Did I do the right thing?" Chances are great that the answer is
"No!" and the remedy will cost you far more than the advice going into
this would have cost.
Save some money.
Look at the property documents to see what if anything it says. The most it
will say is the well is shared and expenses will be shared. It won't have a
Do the proper analysis. Put a kw meter on and keep track for a month. Try
to figure how much each household uses. Do the math. Get with your
neighbor and come to an agreement. Or sue in small claims court, using your
Note: cost will vary over the year. In winter, less water used, more
heating to prevent freezing.
Maintenance will be a bigger problem, down the road.
Why go to a lawyer before you have done these things?
On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 12:04:50 PM UTC-4, taxed and spent wrote:
I agree, I'd try to work it out. The neighbor asking for a killawatt
measurement isn't totally unreasonable. I took it like you did, that
it could be used to take some measurements for a few months, not long
term. But even that would require some rewiring to do and since the
thing is in his unit, would the neighbor believe and accept the results?
When it's at the point where she's stopped paying altogether, it's not
I'd be curious on the history of this, how it came to be, etc.
He could use hour meters, easier to tap in.
I wonder if his electricity company charged on tiered rates.
Here is the history of this:
I recently bought one of a two unit condo. Near closing, I learned that the
water well and the lawn irrigation was shared with the other condo, and was
under his control and on his utility bill. We verbally agreed I would pay
$50 per month, but I didn't know how that was figured - I just wanted to
close. I knew it would be possible to determine how much electricity was
used and we could do a proper calculation.
Now, this neighbor is having nothing to do with any such calculations. It
is $50 per month, tough beans! Based on advise from others, and my own
common sense, I did some research and rough calculations, and think $15 per
month is the right number. I gave this information to my neighbor, hoping
he would accept it or more likely come up with his own numbers based on
actual electricity usage. But NO. It is still "tough beans, $50" with him.
Since I already paid him for three months ($150) at the fictitious monthly
rate, I figure I have paid for 10 months of actual cost. I will pay him
nothing more for the next seven months, to use up my credit with him, and
then I will begin to pay him $15 per month. Of course, if he comes up with
some actual data and actual math showing a different number, I will be
Be careful who your neighbors are, especially when you are sharing something
Per the original post " I was willing to drop
the price down, she putting up a fight. She is reneging On everything, "
Why do you say that the OP says "Tough Beans?" Even though, under the
circumstances, the court will likely say that he's entitled to just that.
No, the court will look at that which is within the four corners of the
contract. Unlike most liberals the court will only decide if the
contract is enforceable, not decide to ensure that one party or the
other benefits in some way other than originally intended.
You've heard it said by others here that on the face of it - considering
the OP's stake in the game, as it were, and water rates they experience,
that $50/mo for an unmetered supply of water is not unreasonable.
I get it that the neighbor no longer wishes to pay $50, but on the face
of it (and I'm not reading into this as you are by calling the OP
unbelievable), she hasn't made any counter offer. Given what I've said
and what I'm sure than any attorney looking at the same facts (anyone
raise their hand?<g>), if he wanted to be a gigantic pr*ck, he could
tell her to pound sand even if she offered him $49.50/mo.
SHE agreed to a contract price and now she doesn't want to pay it. What
part of a contract do you not understand. There has been no mention of
fraud or an illegal transaction which, as I see it, would be the only
thing capable of voiding the contract.
Are you so dense as to believe that if you came over to my house in
response to a Craigslist post for a shiny, low mileage 2012 Corvette I
was selling for $55,000 and purchased it, you could demand your money
back or stop paying for it four months later because a) you no longer
like climbing in and out of it, or b) you grew tired of the wind in your
hair? Mind you, the car is pristine, has low miles and is in perfect
If so, what alternate universe do you live in?
On 9/13/2015 4:41 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
Nothing in writing though. Judge Judy would toss it out.
In the contract there should be an agreed upon maintenance or breakdown
system to get it up and running if one owner is away. That would
prevent a future problem. Something like: We both agree to call Bob's
Pump Service and pay his bill.
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