Never have the owner do the repairs, you will get the lowest, cheapest
shoddiest repair. I am currently buying a home that never had gutters in 25
years and needs them along with a roof, repairs to the deck, fence around
the pool, work on the electrical system and bannisters.
I based my purchase price on doing these repairs myself, however the current
owner has insisted on installing the bannisters, even though I do not want
him do because of the workmanship I will expect to get.
Just for perspective, I'll tell you that my house has gutters on the front,
and not in the back. We have a water seepage issue in our basement, but
only in the front, where there are gutters - not in the gutterless back.
Figure out how much it would cost you to put gutters on the front of the
house. Is it worth killing the whole deal over that amount of money? We
are going to put gutters on the back, we just haven't gotten around to it.
The estimate we have is for something like $800. Would you kill the house
deal over that much? If not, let it go for now.
Sure. Your lawyer, your realtor, and you should too. Or you
shouldn't have signed the offer.
Is this a deal breaker? As in you won't buy the house unless the
seller installs gutters? If so, then walk.
Hate to be crass here, but here's your first lesson in buying a house.
Know what you're signing, know what you're getting into and know the
value of the home to you. Be prepared to walk if the home doesn't
meet the value you desire or the money you're spending.
Lots of areas "gutters only over the concrete areas" is the standard...not sure
about your area. Unless there is significant damage to the fascia boards,
soffits, siding or foundation from the lack of gutters, my take on this would be
that you're being unreasonable. If you want gutters, cool, put 'em up after
you buy the place, but don't expect the seller to put out money for what is
essentially an esthetics issue.
I'm no expert but I'd hold firm on having the gutters added or ask for some
type of price reduction to be able to add them yourself mainly due to the
water seeping into the basement. Just depends on how badly you want the
house and all that comes with it. Ultimately if you buy the house the
problem of seepage into the basement becomes your problem because your home
inspector pointed it out and reported it to you. If you do buy the house
and don't fix the problem then you could run into the same situation but be
on the other end of it when you go to sell it. Again I am no expert but
water seeping into the basement would be enough for me to walk away from the
deal if she didn't at least give you a price reduction.
If you do buy the house I'd also be sure to regrade that area to slope away
from the house.
Personally, I'm still trying to figure out why anyone considers the
cost of the gutters - which will be absolutely trivial compared to the
cost of just about any house - to be an issue.
What is it with first-time buyers, that they think it's reasonable
to considering breaking a deal for something that is going to cost
a couple of hundred bucks, at most? Cripes, don't they have ANY
sense of proportion?
I agree with what you are saying to a point. However, I remember when we
bought our house (6 years ago now) we had the same feelings...it was a case
that we had saved for our down payment for a while and once we bought the
house, it took most of our savings to pay for the down
payment/closing/moving costs. We were concerned about any possible repairs
we would have to make soon after moving in, as for a few months after
closing, money was a bit tight. I think that is a fairly typical situation
for first time buyers.
Tracey in CT
No. And not only that, many of them would rather have absolutely the
most things they're entitled to than a house they actually like. I think
its an ego-response the the insecurity of not knowing what the hell they're
Inspectors don't help anyone, and most of their inspection report is to
make people think they got their money's worth from the inspection.
We sold our house to first-timers. What a PITA. We almost walked away
from that deal. They wanted a new house but at the same price as a 30yo
house. They just didn't understand that houses need maintenance and
sometimes things are just old.
After their inspection they asked us to actually cut a new vent into the
attic, becuase the inspector "decided" there wasn't enough ventilation.
The inspector didn't like that some of the breakers were different
brands. He saw some fading paint and assumed that the siding was
On the day of closing, the buyers gave a new addendum to the escrow
agent to give to us, and told her not to distribute any funds until she
heard from them. Bast***ds are out of contract and useing the words
"dry rot" in the addnendum, and claiming theres was bad siding (the
inspection report didn't have any in this spot). We slapped some primer
on and called it done, since all they were seeing was a spot where
something had dented the siding a couple of years earlier.
If I hadn't been towards the end of a work contract, and us needing to
close on the new place while I was still employeed, we would have told
them to take a long walk off a short pier.
I agree with this. If you want the house, just buy it and install the
gutters. If you don't want it, pretext the water infiltration as the deal
breaker, not the absence of gutters, and walk away.
Well, now you know what your first project will be, if you buy the
Doesn't matter what Seller is "stating", for WHATEVER reason Seller
will not install the gutters. What is the time limit on your
Inspection clause? Either exercize it within the time limit, or buy
the house as-is and install the gutters yourself. Either take the
house as is or walk. All rationalizations about what they SHOULD do
are not worth a crap.
I made a bid on a house once where the prospective buyers (that I lost out
to) wanted the *door knobs* replaced. The sellers called me and asked me
if I was still interested because they were going to refuse to do anything
else asked (the doorknobs were the 2nd or 3rd ticky tack item). I already
had an accepted offer somewhere else, but I marvel that someone wanted
the door knobs replaced as a condition of sale.
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