Last night this POS leaked. I pulled it out and mopped up the stinky
mess, shut the water valves, unplugged it and went to bed.
Today was my day off. The choice was to call a repairman and then
listen all stinking day to the lovely Miseries whine about how she
needed to wash clothes, don't scratch the floor, etc., or to go ahead
and tackle it.
So I ripped the front off the GE Model POS and started digging around.
I never did find where the leak was coming from. Was not from the tub
overflow tube. No connections were wet. But the bottom of the POS
washer was covered with dried water residue and black specks, which
turned out to be to from rubber parts and something around the agitator
connection to the pulley.
Anyway, I could see thru the outer PP tub that there was a really mess
between it and inner SS tub. So I ripped the top off. I was not gentle
with these parts -- figuring if I accidentally ruined something it would
make getting a new one that much easier. Unfortunately for me, the
cover panels came off easily -- most were only held on by 2-4 fasteners
I spent some time tracing each and every tube and cheap plastic pipe end
to end and still did not see any evidence of leakage.
Moving the tub back and forth I could hear water and saw thru the
translucent outer PP tube about 1/2 gallon of water still in the bottom.
That's all I could find. So I replaced the top cover, set it for medium
load and turned it on leaving the front panel open. Poured in about a
cup of bleach with no clothes (in the washer -- not on me).
I watched it during the filling and draining. This machine really is a
100% genuine POS. When it drains, it spins and at the same time the
pump comes on. The pump drains most of the water right way, but keeps
running. Then the pump stops and starts over and over, I guess as it
senses water in the inlet pipe. It's still a stupid design and I would
expect the pump to burn out soon, if it's not already damaged.
Each time the tub drained, it still left about 1/2 gallon in the bottom.
So before starting the next operation, the tub started spinning and
water poured into the tub. So the water went straight out the bottom
and the pump off/on cycle started again. I assume this was to dilute
the dirty water in the bottom and flush it out again. Really, really,
stupid design to leave dirty water (any water) in the bottom of the tub
I could see where it did need cleaning out. The inner SS tub was clean,
but the inside of the outer PP tub had a brown ring at the same height
as the 8-in high agitator stub. It was obvious that grease floating on
the top would stick to the PP tube at that point and not drain out.
Another world class design job, typical of products designed in one
country and then manufactured in another country with no dialog between
them. This is called "technology transfer" in big bidness circles, but
in reality the designers don't give a rat's ass if it works or not since
their jobs will also be moving to China soon anyway.
I did like the simple way the motor/pulley worked. That and the pump
would both be easy to replace if needed. The pump was $79 and stocked
locally (I checked that yesterday just in case).
Anyway, where was I....
After the cycle, the smell was almost gone. Will run another cycle
tonight with 1/2 gal of vinegar in the water this time and see if that
will knock out the last of the stink.
It did not leak this afternoon and I never found where it had come from.
So I got a piece of foam board cut the size of the bottom, put some
rags on top and slid it underneath. Will check that each time and maybe
that will help locate any leaks. Although if it leaks from inside, the
bottom is made so that it fills up the bottom of the case all over
before leaking out of holes.
End of story. Except that this is still a POS because it's impossible to
fill up the tube enough to wash a large load. Even so, the wife still
is happy with it, even though it doesn't get the clothes clean.
Next time the lovely Miseries goes on a trip, it's going onto Craigs
list and when she come back there will be a brand new simpler washer in
I've found muriatic acid from Home Depot at $5/gal to be a household
It instantly removes the calcified deposits in any of our commodes! No
abrasives, no scrubbing, just remove water, pour a bit of acid on a
plastic bristle brush and swash around, DONE!
Most importantly, I've staved off replacing the sludge filled hot water
heater, now twice, using it. Not that I like this hot water heater, I just
like the money needed to replace it more.
You mentioned vinegar rinse, try a bit of the muriatic acid as a rinse.
And when you're done playing with that POS...
I highly recommend Speed Queen, built like a tank, construction built for
simplicity of repair, too and the ergonomics of using it! I have NO idea
what 'normal' manufacturers were thinking. The new SQ is even better than
our circa 70's Maytag! which we greatly miss.
Most importantly, the SQ's mechanical controller allows you to 'restart' a
wash cycle WITHOUT all the water draining out first! Why important? The
Ms. adds some chemicals and washes for 10 minutes [the clothes, not her],
stops and lets soak for 10 minutes, adds some different chemicals and
restarts wash to run 10 minutes, back and forth like that. In NO way does
she want to lose any wash water, those chemicals she uses cost a bit.
How clean does her wash come out? Relate an episode. We were preparing for
a trip for the holiday weekend to the mountains and the snow. She was
washing everything, when sure enough the power went out! I suppose a major
blackout from a stick landing on some power line somewhere! Very angry, of
course only MY clothes, so I packed the washed clothes that never made it
to the dryer into plastic garbage bags [new, unused] to keep from getting
rest of luggage wet and we proceeded to the mountains for our week of
'relaxation'. Well that turned out to be a major debacle, too.
Unfortunately we had booked a cabin at the lake, Nevada side, which is not
quite as clean as California side, and it showed! In preparation I had
requested, and they acquiesced, to shampoo the carpets for us, which they
did NOT do, only vacuum. Upon complaining, they came out with a vacuum!
No, go away. The cabin was beautiful with very good log burning fireplace
[not allowed in Californiz side] But the room being dirty, Ms. would not
touch anything, used tissues to touch their stuff. We slept on top the
covers and never undressed. The next morning the top manager paraded
through, saw that my fingernails were dirty [I did not use tissues] even a
feather on the floor from some dancer's costume! Manager gave us
breakfast, we left, and did not pay for anything there!
Came home very dissapointed, promising ourselves to go again to where we
really wanted to go a month later. Since we were all packed, just left our
luggage intact until we went. A month later we drove the 5 hours to the
mountains, they had shampooed the carpet and we had a beautiful suite,
extending over two floor height!, but California so had NO wood burning
fireplace, just some anemic gas fireplace, yecch! All in all the place
was spotless for us and we started to move in. That's when I opened my
luggage and found the plastic bags of my wet laundry! Oh, oh! I thought
I'd find the biggest mess of those dreaded gray sweaters all over my
clothes. BUT when I opened the bags that had been stored one month, the
contents all were still completely clean and smelled as fresh as the day
[a month ago] when I had pulled them out of Ms. washer and washing
process! We're talking clean here. to be able to be sealed in a plastic
bag, wet, for one month and come out like that.
After that experience I've never questioned her laundry processes or
methodoliges again! I swear hospitals could learn from her!
No way jose. Muriatic acid is also known as Hydrochloric Acid and is
one of the most hazardous acids. The fumes can do major damage to lungs
and eyes. One splash in your eyes and that's all it takes. Burns skin.
A drop will eat right thru your clothes.....
Found some gunk clogging up the holes in the tubs. Impossible to get
down between the ss and pp tubs and clean it right, but got most of it
out with a skinny handle brush. Whatever that was it stank to high
heaven. A few more washings with vinegar and the smell is all gone.
This turned out to be a good thing - all the checking and I noticed that
the drain pipe is starting to back up. Not quite enough to spilll
over. Will get the rooter dude out here next week. Drain is 1-1/2
inch which I believe is smaller than the newer houses have. Pump is
rated at 14 GPM, which is a hell of high flow in my opinion. Maybe I'll
check around and see if I can find a smiliar pump for 10GPM. There's no
reason I can think of to have that high a drain flowrate. All it's
doing is draining the tub.....
GE design engineers suck.
Are you sure you're not confusing this with sulphuric acid?
Also, I didn't say 'play' in the muriatic acid, treat it with respect.
Again, I found that inexpensive product from HD to be a miracle product
for the cleanups I need here. Tiny little bottles of CLR cost more than a
gal and don't even work!
Don't know about the fumes; that is dependent on concentration, but:
Hydrochloric acid is a clear, colorless, highly pungent solution of
hydrogen chloride (HCl) in water. It is a highly corrosive, strong
mineral acid with many industrial uses. Hydrochloric acid is found
naturally in gastric acid.
Historically called acidum salis, muriatic acid, and spirits of salt,
hydrochloric acid was produced from vitriol (sulfuric acid) and common
salt. Free hydrochloric acid was first formally described in the 16th
century by Libavius. Later, it was used by chemists such as Glauber,
Priestley and Davy in their scientific research
The old (pre-systematic) name muriatic acid has the same origin
(muriatic means "pertaining to brine or salt"), and this name is still
sometimes used. The name "hydrochloric acid" was coined by the
French chemist Joseph Louis Gay-Lussac in 1814.
Yes, HCl may be OK for pros, but I would not suggest it to anyone not
used to working with hazardous chemicals. Someone is always going to
pour some in a bucket and then dump water into it, which can create a
lot of heat and splash it out.
It's an industrial chemical.... not a good idea to keep any of these
strong acids around the house. HCl in the stomach is milder and is
mixed with other fluids and nothing like bottled. Stomach has protective
lining. Eyes don't.
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