Gasoline is back!

There definitely was a lot of grease spread around for ethanol but I don't exactly trust the refiners either. The drawbacks of TEL were known for decades but it took a lot to get it out of gasoline. MBTE has issues too but it was a cheaper replacement than EBTE. They could male more isooctane from isobutylene but I'm guessing either MBTE or EBTE is cheaper.

EBTE does use ethanol rather than methanol but I don't know if it uses enough to keep the corn growers happy.

We have the reverse situation here, everyone has 91 and 98 octane unleaded and diesel and some have E10 as well. Very little of our ethanol comes from corn crops. That’s always struck me as a completely mad approach particularly when mandated by the govt.

Generally not good value per kilojoule but some are attracted by the lower price.

Apparently few bother to stock LPG anymore, mainly because its not very competitive on price anymore even tho we produce lots of it, but mainly export it in massive tankers.

In many cases it has been mixed in the truck.. Same with the proprietary" ingredients. The "add pack" is dropped into the tank truck, and then it is filled with "raw" gasoline. The add-pack is the difference between Shell, Conoco, Mobil, etc.

" Pure" gas goes bad over a year or more - Ethanol fuel in months

You just don't grow as much corn as we do. The whole midwest is growing wheat and corn. Corn seems to be the easiest to grow since it is immune to roundup. They can spray the fields with roundup and nothing can grow there but corn. That means we have lots of it and it shows up in damned near everything, including motor fuel. We have a bunch of natural gas but LNG is not as easy to handle as ethanol that is stable at STP.

A lot depends on how you store it. In a full somewhat sealed can, it lasts quite a while,. In a fully vented half empty fuel tank it can be gone in a few months. (Essentially absorbing a critical amount of water and phase separating). The sealed fuel tank in cars doesn't seem as bad as an open vented boat or small equipment. I use my boat enough to keep the fuel moving so I don't have the problem.

My year old Maytag can use hot water. There is an option for more water too, but never needed it so not sure how much it fills. I always select the "extra rinse" cycle too. .

Our clothes come out clean.

Model no?

My Maytag Bravos I bought this year does the same thing. It is a top loader. I would not buy one of the front door ones.

It makes all kinds of noise and takes a while to start the actual washing. Senses the load .

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That’s a circular argument. You lot grow lots of corn to turn into ethanol because of the stupid govt mandate.

We grow lots of wheat but no corn for ethanol.

We don’t produce what grown ethanol we do produce from corn.

Its much more complicated than that.

Doesn’t explain why we don’t grow anything like as much corn. Corse we do grow a hell of a lot more sugar cane than you lot do. Nothing competes with that where its grown either.

Yeah, I have a couple of proper metal jerrycan, the original german design and standard fuel lasts for years in those. I used to use them when camping and when I sold the beetle didn’t need fuel cans for camping anymore so it took years before I used any out of those cans and it was fine.

Never tried storing that because we always have the standard gasoline available.

LPG still makes a lot of sense for many users here in Ontario - where there is no road tax on it. Not REAL commonly available but if you plan your trips it's not a problem. Conversion to LPG injection is not cheap, however.

iirc the selector levers outlasted the spinning wheels when the regulatory agencies decided the wheels were pure bullshit. Nice marketing though.

Maths is for communists. Trump wins AGAIN!!!! []'s

Yes. Alcohol burns and produces ONLY water and CO2. No oily residue to clog anything up. Cars that run on alcohol need LESS maintenance. I change my spark plugs every 30.000 Km. And they (and the cylinders) are absolutely clean when I do. The only damage is from the electrical arc. My (only) gasoline car needs a change every 10.000 Km or so. Gratz on the observation. And there's the pollution problem you didn't mention ... OK, I can wait. []'s

Ethanol NEVER goes bad. Think whiskey. There nothing for it to turn into... unless you dilute it to the point bacteria can transform it into vinegar. Gasoline OTOH is unstable and degenerates rapidly. []'s

That goes back to the time of farming with horses, mules, and steam engines. Clothes washers were powered by one cylinder Maytag engines. My parents would talk about that stuff occasionally. They were born around 1920. I think it was 1947 before they had electricity to their house.

That's exactly what I have.

Cindy Hamilton