Hi All,
The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline. Yippee!
I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much.
I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing?
Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines.
-T
Nope. In fact President Trump just endorsed the increase to E-15.
You probably won't cheer when you see the price though. Here it is at least 50 cents more so your cost per mile sucks. At local prices it would go from .12 at 20mpg to .129 at 22.5mpg. So, your gain is a loss.
That was to peace off the welfare queens (corn growers) after he eased the mandates to blend alcohol for the smaller refineries. You don't mess with BigAgra.
Good description.
Can add Tesla to the list? Gee Wiz, us common folks JUST LOVE to subsidize fancy cars for rich folks!
We've had both in my little world in Nebraska. The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon. I haven't done the math though to figure miles per dollar which is the important thing.
Don't forget to add in the extra cost of mainenance
Why washing machines? I've got a relatively new (2013) washer that works just fine and wasn't much more expensive than the one I bought in 1989.
Cindy Hamilton
All politicians are afraid to get rid of ethanol in gasoline because of the economic impact on farmers.
Yes, another lame excuse for Trump. I thought Trump was supposed to be the different one, who wasn't a politician? And like Danny said, Trump didn't just leave it as it was, Trump is increasing the use of ethanol. But heh, at least he hasn't killed anyone on Fifth Ave yet. Though there are a lot of dead Kurds.
What extra cost of maintenance? Gas with ethanol works perfectly fine in motor vehicles. There are issues with small engines. And thanks for bringing this up. Like Danny said, your super hero Trump is increasing the ethanol mandate, to try to save himself with the farmers with crops rotting in the fields as a result of his trade wars. You know, the trade wars that Trump said were easy to win? just like healtcare was easy, Trump promised lower premiums, coverage for pre-existing conditions, with no mandate. Only morons could believe that was possible. Trump never even put forth a plan. And when it all failed and came to nothing, what did Trump say? 'Who would think healthcare could be so complicated".
T is like Trump. The faster we can get back to the good old days the better. They want to ride around smoking big cigars in horseless carriages, women and children fleeing before them, with big factory smoke stacks spewing black ash, rivers that catch on fire, meat factories with no inspectors packing rotten meat.....
On 11/9/2019 6:52 AM, trader_4 wrote: ...
What "issues" are those for anything built in this century?
And Trump is _NOT_ raising the blending mandate level, simply making some effort to enforce the actual law as passed "way back when" long before he was around. The use of the small refinery loophole has allowed refiners to not live up to the mandate.
Trump actually hasn't done much at all to really help the situation...it's mostly been let slide as all politicians generally do, other issues and competing interests cause enough pain to not make it worth the effort to stick to one particular cause through thick 'n thin.
As far as being available, that's purely up to the local dealers as to whether they want to carry the product or not...there's one here in town who advertises it strongly but it's at quite a high price premium. I guess there are enough that he keeps going but as Cindy points out at least for his price differential there's no question ethanol blend is the MP$ winner by a significant margin. Places with more competition _might_ have a somewhat closer margin, that I have no data for.
Here in Ontariariario ethanol free premium is about 17 cents a liter more expensive than regular right now 1.24 vs 1.07 (3.78 liters to the yankee gallon) so an extra $0.65 per US Gallon. About 16% more expensive than regular E10. With ethanol being about half the energy density of gasoline it works out we are paying the equivalent of 1.17 a liter for regular gasoline factoring out the energy deficiency of the ethanol. That's 7 cents a liter for the higher octane - about a 6% premium which is pretty close to what I remember as historic average (way back I'd pay a dollar a gallon for regular and a dollar 6 or a dollar 7 for premium)
The only issues I remember with ethanol blend were back in the
1970s when it was first available here. Some cars had issues with pinging. Those people just wouldn't use it. Others had issues with plugged fuel filters at first. The ethanol cleaned up the varnish in the tanks which plugged the filters. A new filter fixed that issue. Ethanol does eliminate the need to use products like Heet in the winter. I use it in my mowers without problems.
Because the gasoline with alcohol is a more polar solvent it does clean the pipes and tanks from varnish and cause these problems. I also understand because of this they cannot pipeline it and must transport in tank trucks and cars. They also had to shut down gas stations to clean their tanks or replace them. These are things that add greatly to its cost.
I used it in mowers too but a few years ago I made the mistake of storing it stabilized in my snow thrower and had to take it to the shop to have seals whatever repaired.
Use of ethanol as fuel was a zero sum game as cost of farming, making it and all the other crap resulted in zero energy savings. The gas companies said they could have made gas just as good without it but ADM and the rest of big agribusiness greased the palms of all the politicians in DC to say otherwise.
TYpically the gasoline (no ethanol) is pipelined to some reasonably local distribution centers, and the ethanol itself is trucked over to them.
So the mixing (10 parts ethanol to 90 parts gasoline [a]) takes place there, and the new solution gets loaded onto the local delivery trucks.
[a] soon, alas, to be 15:85.
It is anywhere from 30 to 70 cents more a gallon here depending on where you go and we have lots of stations carrying it. I think of it more as a cult product than a necessity, particularly if you are not storing it for a long time. I run it in everything with no problems. I do have a habit, gained long before E-10 was a thing, of running small engine equipment dry before I put them away. Old style gas used to go bad too, we just want to forget.
Trip down memory lane:
This town mandated alcohol blends in the winter to cut pollution. My highly unscientific observation is I have slightly decreased mileage in the winter. otoh, I also spend more time warming up the car and driving with a engine not up normal operating temperature.
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