G&S old oven problem

[KenK]

I have an ancient Gattler & Sattler model number R95FH-2C (maybe followed by 'K', not sure)oven I bought used many years ago. No manual. Worked fine. Now doesn't work. Voltage OK at breaker. Will soon check at oven but see no reason it should have been lost between.

Anyone have any idea if there are breakers or fuses in ovens? Anything simple that might be wrong that I can check. Intend to get help Monday ((3/19) and check voltage and pull it out and see if I can see anything on the rear. I hate to junk it without trying - could be something simple. Didn't smell smoke when it failed - just didn't warm up one day.

Suggestions?

Tried Google but no help yet. Still looking.

TIA

[KenK]

KenK wrote in news:XnsA8A6690958B04invalidcom@130.133.4.11:

Stupidly forgot to say it is a stand-alone wall oven, not part of an electric range.

Sorry.

[hubops]

It might help to know your definition of ancient ? or better yet - the age of the appliance. Are we to assume that it's a built-in electric oven - not a range ?

GAFFERS & SATTLER: In 1969 became a subsidiary of Magic Chef. Name no longer used.

John T.

[KenK]

"Dove Tail" wrote in news:p8ecpm$kvh$1 @news.albasani.net:

Sorry. Electric.

Will see. Looks ok.

[KenK]

[e-mail] wrote in news: [e-mail]:

Don't know, bought it used as replacement for another oven. Guessing 20 -

40 years?

Wall/stand-alone.

[hubops]

Well - if the G&S brand was discontinued in 1969 - .. umm lemme see .. plus 8 and carry the 10 ... let's see - it's about 50 years old or more ... not 20 - 40 years.

Might have some asbestos ... ask the young repairman if he's ever heard of it... let alone recognize it and know the safety precautions ... John T.

[KenK]

KenK wrote in news:XnsA8A6690958B04invalidcom@130.133.4.11:

Haven't read the responses yet but a little later news.

Used a voltage sensor and there is power at the oven controls and where power from breaker is connected. I checked the heating element and I see power at both ends but it doesn't heat up. But there is also power between where the elements are connected so evidently there's a wire running between the two ends of the elements behind the [anel where they are connected. Not sure what this says about whether the element is good. I can flop it around up and down so if it's bad it's not caused by a break or burned in two.

[KenK]

"Dove Tail" wrote in news:p8eefi$i51$1 @news.albasani.net:

No, but it has always been erratic. I didn't try unscrewing it and checking socket for voltage or the bulb for continuity.

[hrhofmann]

G & S stands for Gilbert and Sullivan, a famous series of comedy operettas in the UK.

[trader_4]

That would seem to be definitive.

But there is also power

Very faulty logic and diagnostic procedure there.

[Wayne Boatwright]

On Fri 16 Mar 2018 09:53:44a, KenK told us...

Based on what you wrote, it seems most likely that the baking element has bitten the dust. You can't visually see a "break" but internally it has probably bitten the dust, especially considering its age.

[KenK]

KenK wrote in news:XnsA8A764AEDC605invalidcom@130.133.4.11:

More tests.

Used a voltage sensor and there is still power at the oven controls and where power from breaker is connected. I checked the heating element and I see no voltage from either end of the element to the oven body. No voltage beteen the elements.

Tried to get a manual but the only site I could find tried to load software on my system - when I it asked to DL the free manual I requested. (Virus?) Was warned by the Firefox browser or Kaspersky, didn't notice which. I didn't allow the software to be loaded so got no manual. Tried several Google searches but coukdn't find any other manuals.

Appears to me the oven is kaput - no wiring diagram would make it very tough to trouble-shoot.

[trader_4]

Between the elements? Or do you mean across the element's two connections?

Often there are wiring diagrams on the back. Also, a vintage oven like that, there isn't much to it, if you open it up, you should be able to easily trace the wiring. If it's not the element, it could be something that's very visible, like a wire burned off at one of the terminals to the thermostat, etc.

[Wayne Boatwright]

On Wed 21 Mar 2018 11:06:23a, KenK told us...

I'm still inclined to think it's a burned out heating element. If you can find one that fits your oven, I'd give it a try.

[KenK]

trader_4 wrote in news: [e-mail]:

Yes.

How hard are these to open up? Just a few screws on a back panel? Haven't pulled it out - need help. I wonder if the electric connection will continue to stay on the oven. It's BX. I doubt it. Need to look closer. Fortunately, I have a MW/Convection oven so can bake stuff that doesn't need a lot of room, like a chicken, so I'm slow about doing this repair or replacement. Intend to bake a small pan of brownies after lunch.

[KenK]

Wayne Boatwright wrote in news:XnsA8AC82C0D65B3wayneboatwrightxgmai@85.214.115.223:

I wonder what they cost. And if I have it out, should check it with an ohmmeter. I wonder what resistance should be, approximately. Too lazy to go get a calculater and figure out what would give me a K or 3 of power - (240 x 240) / ~2000.

[trader_4]

There should be enough cable that's part of the oven so that it can slide out. How hard it is to take apart would depend on the actual oven, but it probably won't be that hard to get access to the switches, thermostat, etc to start debugging. There's not that much to those old ovens.